If people will ask you why do you hate religion,...

[MountainsWinAgain]

Here you have more than enough reasons why.

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[JesusHChrist]

Now, now,

One bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch girl!

[Bittersmart]

Oftentimes when bringing up the many atrocities committed in the name of religion, many are quick to say "Well, there are plenty of crimes committed without religion, too", or "Bad people were going to commit those crimes anyway, they didn't need religion, it's just their excuse". How much of that is true, though? If there were no religion, would crime rates go down? Would there be more tolerance? I do wonder if religious indoctrination ceased suddenly, would the world be a slightly better place? Or would it remain the same, something just as bad filling the vacuum? I tend to lean towards the idea that the world would be at least somewhat better off without religion, but I'm biased.

[KUSA]

That's fucking depressing. What's up with all the hatred towards Atheists? Shouldn't they be more upset at someone that has a competing god?

[Bittersmart]

That's fucking depressing. What's up with all the hatred towards Atheists? Shouldn't they be more upset at someone that has a competing god?

A lot of religious people think other religious people are just temporarily confused about who they should be worshipping. "Well, they know there's a god, which is great, but how sad that they've been duped by that other cult!" And that's how you get Missionaries.

When it comes to atheists, however, we're just viewed as weirdos. It's too difficult for many of them to grasp a total lack of belief, so there must be something broken in our heads. And that scares and/or angers them.

[ThePinsir]

And to think that's the very recent past.

Imagine if you did a compilation like that of the past 2k years...*shudder*

Thanks for the post, OP. I'm sure to be using this thread as a reference in the future.

Also, considering taking the "kind of" out of my avatar now.

[DeistPaladin]

Oftentimes when bringing up the many atrocities committed in the name of religion, many are quick to say "Well, there are plenty of crimes committed without religion, too", or "Bad people were going to commit those crimes anyway, they didn't need religion, it's just their excuse". How much of that is true, though? If there were no religion, would crime rates go down? Would there be more tolerance? I do wonder if religious indoctrination ceased suddenly, would the world be a slightly better place? Or would it remain the same, something just as bad filling the vacuum? I tend to lean towards the idea that the world would be at least somewhat better off without religion, but I'm biased.

Here's a thought on that subject:

Two ways that humans can easily rationalize bad behavior is either by "mob mentality" or by blindly following an authority, both of which involve diffusing responsibility. Religion doesn't have a monopoly on these things. One can be a political or nationalistic fanatic or a mafia capo and still commit terrible crimes. However, this kind of submission to the group or to a leader is nearly inherent in religion where "faith" (believing what you're told without question) is a key component.

Often, Christians will indignantly fire back with "oh yeah, well the atheists under Stalin were bad too". While it's true the Soviet regime was one that rejected conventional religion (and I say "conventional religion" because it's debatable whether a "cult of personality" might just be an alternative religion), the atrocities they committed were not so much because of a lack of a belief in a god as much as their political and economic fanaticism. Yes, people can do bad things in fanatical devotion to non-religious or worldly causes but religion is uniquely dangerous because of two factors:

1. "My imaginary friend tells me what's right and wrong"
The authority figure is not a worldly dictator who can at least clarify dogma, react to events and possibly restrain his/her zealots. Failing to do so, this dictator can be held responsible in a world court in the event of his/her fall.

No clarification comes from on high. What a god wants is communicated through interpretations of scripture, as filtered through the mind of the believer or a religious leader. And anyone who's debated scripture with a Christian knows full well how easily the believer can cherry pick, read through a lens of confirmation bias, come up with ludicrously obtuse interpretations, make liberal use of the ad hoc hypothesis to fill in what they want and, when all else fails, "la la la la la, I'm not listening".

Scripture says whatever you want it to say. The believers always follow a god who wants what they want. The Christian can tell me what he/she thinks of Jesus and that tells me much about what that Christian is like or aspires to be like. Consider how Michael Moore and Pat Robertson, to pick just two examples, both worship the same god and read the same scripture.

Personally, I'm more afraid of the man who hears voices in his head than I am of someone who blindly follows the orders of another. At least with the latter, there are at least limitations to what the fanatic can justify. Anything can be justified when it is the will of your imaginary friend.

2. "You'll see I'm right when we're all dead"
Eventually, communism fell when people noticed it wasn't delivering the goods. Other political, nationalistic or economic ideologies taken to a fanatical extreme will also collapse when reality sets in. Religion is immune to reality. It proposes invisible forces that lie beyond our ability to detect and promises a reward after we're dead and nobody can report how it's all bunk.

Worse, some religions, Christianity in particular, celebrate the end of the world and seem to look forward to the collapse of everything. The dangers of a self-fulfilling prophecy are very real.

So yes, human cruelty will always be with us. People will seek to justify their cruelty by appealing to everyone-else-was-doing-it or the-great-leader-said-to-do-it. Religion just presents this danger on steroids.

[RobbyPants]

That's fucking depressing. What's up with all the hatred towards Atheists? Shouldn't they be more upset at someone that has a competing god?

No, for two reasons:

1) Other religions might be seen as "wrong", but many Christians can respect the faith that others have. Especially the ones honest enough to admit they can't prove their god exists.

2) Atheists scare the shit out of Christians, both for representing a possible life without their super-important god, and also for asking the hard questions. Take a look at what Christians say about their god when they're in a group versus what they say to skeptics. They hate that they have to come up with contrived free will arguments and debate the true purpose of prayer. Muslims don't ask those tough questions because the same tough questions apply to their faith as well.

[Zidneya]

Mmmmm and all our theist members in our forum who always defend god and tell us we should get religion if they see this thread by tomorrow morning they are gonna forget all of this and they will still defend their belief system.

That's convenient isn't it?

[archangle]

Here you have more than enough reasons why.

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the problem is it is all bullshit.