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Does intelligent design explain why...
May 31, 2014 at 8:10 am
Sex gives you pleasure?
Or why eating is enjoyable?
These are 2 main factors in our survival and the continuation of the human race, are they accidentally pleasurable? Doesn't it point to a design made to encourage people to survive and breed?
Is there a scientific or evolutionary answer to why 2 essential parts of the human race's survival feel good?
Thanks for reading.
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RE: Does intelligent design explain why...
May 31, 2014 at 8:18 am
I guess the answers are deep down in our subconscious .
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RE: Does intelligent design explain why...
May 31, 2014 at 8:19 am
One of the problems with ID and why it can't be considered science is that it doesn't explain anything. ID also has no predictive power.
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RE: Does intelligent design explain why...
May 31, 2014 at 8:21 am
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A simplified way to explain one of those "all scientifical like" - would be that all things beings equal...the couple who have the most sex has the most offspring. Anything that encourages the production of offspring serves the function of essentially zerging life. Whether you choose to conceive of such a thing as a design or just random this-or-that..it still serves the same purpose in the same way.
You'll have to be more specific about eating..different chemicals in different foods (and our own little chem factories) make us feel a bunch of things when we eat. Chemistry, blah blah blah. Again, designed or not..thats the way the chemicals in food and us interact. Eating food can also make you feel pain...and death - keep that in mind.
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May 31, 2014 at 9:04 am
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(May 31, 2014 at 8:21 am)Rhythm Wrote: A simplified way to explain one of those "all scientifical like" - would be that all things beings equal...the couple who have the most sex has the most offspring. Anything that encourages the production of offspring serves the function of essentially zerging life. Whether you choose to conceive of such a thing as a design or just random this-or-that..it still serves the same purpose in the same way.
You'll have to be more specific about eating..different chemicals in different foods (and our own little chem factories) make us feel a bunch of things when we eat. Chemistry, blah blah blah. Again, designed or not..thats the way the chemicals in food and us interact. Eating food can also make you feel pain...and death - keep that in mind.
Sweet avatar pic Wallace........
Good point regarding our food being designed to be enjoyable by us. I don't suppose tearing the bloody raw meat off a gazelle and eating its innards is TOO pleasurable for a lion, rather they just do so to survive.
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RE: Does intelligent design explain why...
May 31, 2014 at 9:27 am
(May 31, 2014 at 8:10 am)Unsure Wrote: Sex gives you pleasure?
Or why eating is enjoyable?
These are 2 main factors in our survival and the continuation of the human race, are they accidentally pleasurable? Doesn't it point to a design made to encourage people to survive and breed?
Is there a scientific or evolutionary answer to why 2 essential parts of the human race's survival feel good?
Thanks for reading.
Because if our more primitive ancestors didn't enjoy sex or eating, they would not have survived.
You are putting the cart before the horse.
It almost sounds like you presupposing a designer that, understands we need to eat and procreate to survive as a species, had this thought process, "So, I created all these creatures, and I created them with the need to eat and reproduce in order to survive as a species. But they aren't doing it enough. Oh, I know! I'll make them pleasurable!"
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Does intelligent design explain why...
May 31, 2014 at 9:50 am
(May 31, 2014 at 9:04 am)Unsure Wrote: Good point regarding our food being designed to be enjoyable by us. I don't suppose tearing the bloody raw meat off a gazelle and eating its innards is TOO pleasurable for a lion, rather they just do so to survive.
Everything you said is wrong.
There is no evidence of design. Evolution by natural selection explains why sex feels good, why food tastes good. And our ancestors ate raw meat before the taming of fire.
I've seen animals eat with what appears to be great pleasure and enjoyment.
Just because you don't think eating raw gazelle is appetizing, you can't conclude that a lion doesn't.
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May 31, 2014 at 9:52 am
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(May 31, 2014 at 8:21 am)Rhythm Wrote: Sweet avatar pic Wallace........
thx, yours too
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RE: Does intelligent design explain why...
May 31, 2014 at 10:06 am
(May 31, 2014 at 9:50 am)Chas Wrote: Just because you don't think eating raw gazelle is appetizing, you can't conclude that a lion doesn't.
Exactly.
A more drastic example is rotting meat.
We think rotting meat smells bad. But in actuality, there are various molecules produced by rotting meat that don't smell bad or good until they are perceived by an organism.
We think they smell bad because rotting meat could kill us. So we evolved a survival mechanism to avoid rotting meat by detecting it as smelling bad.
But the exact same molecules that we detect as smelling bad, are detected by vultures or flies as smelling good, and necessary for their survival.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Does intelligent design explain why...
May 31, 2014 at 10:06 am
Bet the gazelle doesn't find it very appetizing..lol.
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