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RE: Bible prophecies
July 1, 2014 at 1:06 pm
(July 1, 2014 at 9:31 am)Irrational Wrote: The assumption is made in light of the theory proposed by several Bible scholars that Jesus was an apocalypticist preacher who preached that a physical kingdom of God would eventually be set up on earth in his days. Specifically which Bible scholars? I'm interested to see what Biblical interpretation led to their theory.
(July 1, 2014 at 9:31 am)Irrational Wrote: It's not about what the Bible teaches,
If we are to discuss Christianity then what the Bible teaches is the ultimate authority over Christianity.
(July 1, 2014 at 9:31 am)Irrational Wrote: rather it's about what we can glean from each book in order to discern what may have likely happened or may have likely been said vs what was made up later on by the authors. What are you getting at here?
(July 1, 2014 at 9:31 am)Irrational Wrote: Quote:Normally I'd agree with you about being careful about taking a parable literally. However, the scripture quoted was not the parable, but Jesus' explanation of the parable. This lends itself to a more literal interpretation.
I don't do it that way. What I do is look at the context and then try to determine how it should be interpreted. And the context here is not a parable, but the explanation of the parable. Agree or disagree?
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?
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RE: Bible prophecies
July 1, 2014 at 1:52 pm
(July 1, 2014 at 1:06 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: (July 1, 2014 at 9:31 am)Irrational Wrote: The assumption is made in light of the theory proposed by several Bible scholars that Jesus was an apocalypticist preacher who preached that a physical kingdom of God would eventually be set up on earth in his days. Specifically which Bible scholars? I'm interested to see what Biblical interpretation led to their theory.
Probably most famous of them would be Bart Ehrman. Historically, Albert Schweitzer.
If you're interested, try to locate a book titled Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium
http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Apocalyptic-...B000GI3602
Quote:And the context here is not a parable, but the explanation of the parable. Agree or disagree?
So? Context still matters whether it's outside of a parable or not. The phrase "sowed the good seed" is figurative within that context. Jesus himself in that explanation makes that clear.
"the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom"
and that's in the explanation itself.
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RE: Bible prophecies
July 2, 2014 at 1:12 pm
(July 1, 2014 at 1:52 pm)Irrational Wrote: So? Context still matters whether it's outside of a parable or not. The phrase "sowed the good seed" is figurative within that context. Jesus himself in that explanation makes that clear.
"the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom"
and that's in the explanation itself. My mistake, I misunderstood your argument. I thought you were arguing against the explanation of the parable being literal, but rather you were arguing against my analogy ("Seeds are sown, the plants grow and then the harvest. Sowing seeds and harvesting plants are not simultaneous events, according to the explanation of the parable, neither are the kingdom and the second coming.") While I still hold this analogy is within the explanation of the parable, I'll defer to my original question edited for clarity:
How can the kingdom be established at the end of the world when Christ returns (that these two events are temporally synonomous) when Christ says in Matthew 13:41 He shall send His angels to gather out of his kingdom? This implies that the kingdom has already been established prior to the second coming.
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RE: Bible prophecies
July 2, 2014 at 2:09 pm
Quote:How can the kingdom be established at the end of the world when Christ returns
Poor writing skills?
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RE: Bible prophecies
July 2, 2014 at 2:10 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies
July 2, 2014 at 2:13 pm
(July 2, 2014 at 1:12 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: the second coming.
Every time someone says this, I feel like I'm [ ] this much closer to accidentally getting myself banned 
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RE: Bible prophecies
July 2, 2014 at 2:15 pm
Quote:the second coming.
Why does 'god' need a return trip? Shouldn't a 'god' be able to do the whole job in one visit?
Why do you always portray your 'god' as some kind of inept twit?
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RE: Bible prophecies
July 2, 2014 at 2:34 pm
(July 2, 2014 at 2:13 pm)Losty Wrote: Every time someone says this, I feel like I'm [ ] this much closer to accidentally getting myself banned That would be a worthy sacrifice!
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Bible prophecies
July 2, 2014 at 2:50 pm
(July 2, 2014 at 2:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:the second coming.
Why does 'god' need a return trip? Shouldn't a 'god' be able to do the whole job in one visit?
Why do you always portray your 'god' as some kind of inept twit?
Stop it!
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RE: Bible prophecies
July 2, 2014 at 2:55 pm
(July 2, 2014 at 2:13 pm)Losty Wrote: (July 2, 2014 at 1:12 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: the second coming.
Every time someone says this, I feel like I'm [ ] this much closer to accidentally getting myself banned
I don't understand the recovery time involved here. With a little hydration and at most a short nap, I can cum twice a day.
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