Science was once a child of the church.

[Brian37]

Religion does not teach this. This is how god really is. Now, IF a ruler is like that, then he dictates in those terms. When the ruler is good and kind the people are safe. If he is loving and gentle, the people can rejoice and honor him, admire him.

I don't care about how you view the god you want to be real. You cherry pick to come to that conclusion. The totality from the beginning of that book to the end of that book DOES NOT paint such a character as being kind to dissent and goes out of his way to not only punish people but torture them on top of that. Your god is kind in your mind the same way two people can go to a bad movie and one of them thinks it is great.

There is no such thing as a kind dictator. Dictators being kind to those who obey does not constitute consent like the leaders we chose in the civil west.

[mickiel]

if I may be allowed to say I have one, the view of god I believe in is that he is a supreme ruler, he is a dictator, and I do see the only way to deal with him is to serve him and obey him

Thats on you, I don't worship dictators, no matter how you want to paint them or how you think we "misunderstand" them.

A dictator is a dictator. Congratulations you worship a dictator. Nothing to be proud of.

I see absolutely no harm in a dictator, if he is good and loves his people. We just don't have many examples of that.

[Brian37]

Thats on you, I don't worship dictators, no matter how you want to paint them or how you think we "misunderstand" them.

A dictator is a dictator. Congratulations you worship a dictator. Nothing to be proud of.

I see absolutely no harm in a dictator, if he is good and loves his people. We just don't have many examples of that.

That makes you a lemming and a moron and gullible prey.

Like I said if you want to follow and worship a dictator, that is on you. Lots of con artists smile right before they pick your pocket. Lots of serial killers suck in their victims with charm. An entire gullible nation followed one man because he sold them a utopia where they would gain back their dignity, to the detriment of 50 million lives including 6 million Jews.

[Rampant.A.I.]

Thats on you, I don't worship dictators, no matter how you want to paint them or how you think we "misunderstand" them.

A dictator is a dictator. Congratulations you worship a dictator. Nothing to be proud of.

I see absolutely no harm in a dictator, if he is good and loves his people. We just don't have many examples of that.

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My question is, is this total lack of empathy due to an unwillingness to even entertain that someone else might not agree with you on this, or an inability to see that?

Neither, its a result of research, history, education, science, common sense, logic, and academics. From all the combined information I have, god is real. I both can explain it, and not explain it. On one site, http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/genera...scussions/
, I had a thread, " Is god real", and I went at it for 4 years explaining how god is real. 4 long years I explained it from every angle I could think of; and in all that time, I have never seen a single shred of evidence that he does not exist.

I know we view evidence different here, as well as proof; evidence produces belief that something is true, and that is considered proof. I don't tell atheist they made the wrong choice, I simply see it as their karma; their place in life.

And I view theist as being where they should be.

And I stand in a different place, agreeing and disagreeing with things in both disciplines.

[mickiel]

I see absolutely no harm in a dictator, if he is good and loves his people. We just don't have many examples of that.

That makes you a lemming and a moron and gullible prey.

Like I said if you want to follow and worship a dictator, that is on you. Lots of con artists smile right before they pick your pocket. Lots of serial killers suck in their victims with charm.

I see no problem with a king ruling; I do not disagree with that kind of government; because no matter what kind of governing rule you accept, if the leaders or leader is perverted, the people will suffer.

And god is not perverted in my view, but many human leaders are.

[Brian37]

That makes you a lemming and a moron and gullible prey.

Like I said if you want to follow and worship a dictator, that is on you. Lots of con artists smile right before they pick your pocket. Lots of serial killers suck in their victims with charm.

I see no problem with a king ruling; I do not disagree with that kind of government; because no matter what kind of governing rule you accept, if the leaders or leader is perverted, the people will suffer.

And god is not perverted in my view, but many human leaders are.

Holy fucking shit.

Why do you think "Kings" can be good? Because of England's Royal Family in it's current state? When the first Kings of England started their rule they were brutal and had absolute power. When the age of Enlightenment came about those leaders knew that the were really no longer in charge and merely became vacation attractions. If the Queen tried to take absolute power back, which is what a dictator has, she would have her ass handed to her if not jailed have her head cut off. She is queen in name only. Any power she has is not unlimited and most of it makes her merely an Ambassador. She is not a dictator. Her title is a relic of the past, ceremonial.

Now again, your God isn't even willing to relegate himself to a figurehead like the Queen, so he remains a dictator. He has absolute final say and there is nothing we can do to change that.

So once again, your god concept and is a dictator, as you admitted to. I don't give one fuck how good you claim this god is. I find absolutely no value in a concept of an immovable figure who does not need my consent to rule over me.

[mickiel]

I see no problem with a king ruling; I do not disagree with that kind of government; because no matter what kind of governing rule you accept, if the leaders or leader is perverted, the people will suffer.

And god is not perverted in my view, but many human leaders are.

Holy fucking shit.

Why do you think "Kings" can be good? Because of England's Royal Family in it's current state? When the first Kings of England started their rule they were brutal and had absolute power. When the age of Enlightenment came about those leaders knew that the were really no longer in charge and merely became vacation attractions. If the Queen tried to take absolute power back, which is what a dictator has, she would have her ass handed to her if not jailed have her head cut off. She is queen in name only. Any power she has is not unlimited and most of it makes her merely an Ambassador. She is not a dictator. Her title is a relic of the past, ceremonial.

Now again, your God isn't even willing to relegate himself to a figurehead like the Queen, so he remains a dictator. He has absolute final say and there is nothing we can do to change that.

So once again, your god concept and is a dictator, as you admitted to. I don't give one fuck how good you claim this god is. I find absolutely no value in a concept of an immovable figure who does not need my consent to rule over me.

Well in my understanding of god, he has not, nor ever will ask anyone for a consent to rule over them. And again, the concept of having a king or a dictator, is not inherently evil within itself, if the one who holds the power is good, then their rule will be good as well.

[Cato]

And god is not perverted in my view, but many human leaders are.

Does this mean god closes his eyes when I fuck?

[Rampant.A.I.]

And god is not perverted in my view, but many human leaders are.

Does this mean god closes his eyes when I fuck?

Yes. But not when you're pooping.

[Brian37]

Well in my understanding of god, he has not, nor ever will ask anyone for a consent to rule over them.

BINGO, which is why you are bat shit insane to try to sell me such a vile concept.

When I was married, I couldn't simply force her to marry me. When we lived together I had to cooperate with her. When she asked for a divorce, I had no say in it, she left me. I would have been arrested if I had stalked her or harmed her for her CHOICE to leave.

I do not have the same rights as my wife did under your concept of a god. ESPECIALLY if you say your god does not need my consent. FUCK YOUR GOD. Like I said, I do not worship dictators.

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You like being told what to do every day? Move to North Korea. I am quite sure Un is very good to party loyalists. Come on, why not, you don't need consent to be ruled over and Un doesn't ask for your consent.