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Why must an atheist need a reason?
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 (June 16, 2014 at 2:33 pm)ThePinsir Wrote: Seems like he's trying to shift the burden of proof. Name me one believer now or ever that isn't looking for an excuse to believe? Theist confuse excuses to believe for evidence. Appeal to emotion and tradition are lousy reasons to hold a position.  
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: Why must an atheist need a reason?
June 16, 2014 at 3:07 pm
(This post was last modified: June 16, 2014 at 3:08 pm by fr0d0.)
STFU you lot he's asking us
 K, it depends if you interpret atheist as a stance against theism... which I'd hope you'd have some reason for, or as a position of respectable ignorance of theism. You can become a Christian as young as 3 so the experts tell me (women  ). Everyone is born atheist."God has no grandchildren" ... Which is frustrating as hell for Christians with kids.  (June 16, 2014 at 2:36 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Name me one believer now or ever that isn't looking for an excuse to believe? Theist confuse excuses to believe for evidence. Of course that assumes they are looking to rationalize the decision at all. I'm not sure there is any obvious reason why one should subject everything they believe to rationalization. There is some question whether that is even possible. Perhaps there are some core beliefs/desires/values which are as basic as we can go? (I don't really know.) (June 16, 2014 at 2:36 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Appeal to emotion and tradition are lousy reasons to hold a position. So it seems to me too regarding core beliefs/desires/values which I don't myself hold. But I don't think I have to give up an expectation of fair play unless I can rationalize it. I'm not sure I'm in any position to be the arbiter of which beliefs require rationalization. The resolution of our dispositions toward individual gratification and communal cooperation may just be intrinsically messy with no final, 'correct' solution. 
It's a position of choice and preference.
When religious people understand that they've exercised what they call "free will" to make a decision for their own lives, then maybe they'll allow others to do the same for themselves. If there is a God, and it allows free will, and the religious believe that, then shouldn't they rest secure in their choice while allowing others who've made a differing choice to do the same?  RE: Why must an atheist need a reason?
June 16, 2014 at 9:06 pm
(This post was last modified: June 16, 2014 at 9:07 pm by Ryantology.)
The only reason we seem to need a reason is because most of the world is theist. The room full of lunatics thinks we're the crazy ones. Well, okay, they think everyone but themselves is crazy to some greater or lesser extent.
 (June 16, 2014 at 3:07 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: STFU you lot he's asking us Was Jesus born atheist! Now that's just cruel! Truth is as a child he tried many other religions, but realised they were just bulldust so he decided to start his own.... And he got popular so they killed him.
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear. (June 16, 2014 at 3:07 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: STFU you lot he's asking us Your only saving grace is that you are a fellow ABBA fan. But I am not telling you you are wrong because I am a fascist, I am telling you you got it wrong for the same reason you rightfully know Hindus and Muslims got it wrong. I simply reject one more god claim than you do. All god claims in human history, from polytheism to modern monotheism, are merely mental sugar pills humans make up to ignore their finite existence. I would highly recommend more people read Sagan's "Pale Blue Dot" speech which aptly points out our collective species history in the grand scope of the cosmos. It was understandable in antiquity that people believed those things because they didn't know better, but we know better now. Our species is not living in an era where we can afford religious and political divisions. If we do not stop this bullshit we will ruin this planet and destroy ourselves and it will not matter at that point who wins. I am not out to destroy your rights, I am out to destroy your logic. 
He'd have to present some for you to do that, instead of arguments from emotion and ~~Reasons~~.
 (June 16, 2014 at 1:06 am)Sludgeman101 Wrote: Hello atheist brothers and sisters, and today i would like to ask a question to theists. Do atheists need to have a reason to be atheists? This question stems from that when i told my dad i was an atheist, he said the reasons i have were "weak" and that i will have to study until i am at least 40 to say that i'm an atheist. Now, i know my dad did not study until he was 40 to become a christian, in fact, i know that the reason he is one is because my grandparents raised him as one. So does really any reason i give, as long as it is stronger than "because my parents/relatives/friends are" beater than any argument he can use from his life? Also, do i really have to study until i'm 40? Really? That is the time when you would accept that my choice was mine and mine alone and respect it? I don't think so. I don't think so. well, if you have a good relationship with your dad there is no reason not to give him one. But of course that assumes you both are rational. I told mine that I don't believe a body rose. It wouldn't hold up in court. That was that. Then he made me cut the lawn. lol |
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