Believers!! Don't mislead people

[Ksa]

Verse 4.24 is not about "kidnapping", it is about an orphan girl and polygamy, and it is the exception to the general rule of "one wife" in verse 33.50 (refer here). In fact, it is the reinstatement of the general rule of only "one wife" in Islam (red above).


O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the believers. (33.50)

Therefore:

General rule: One wife (33.50), polygamy is unjust.

And you will never be able to be equal between wives, even if you should strive [to do so]. (4:129)

Exception: For the benefit of orphan girls, and if they have no fear of being unjust to their wives (4:24).

Condition: Cannot marry more than one if they fear of injustice to wives, even if it is for the benefit of the orphan girls (4:24) and (4:129).

And you will never be able to be equal between wives, even if you should strive [to do so]. (4:129)

Therefore, one injustice is allowed if one can balance for three justices, provided there is "no fear" of being injustice to wives and it is for the benefit of an orphan girls.

I don't understand your argument...are you saying a Muslim should not have more than one wife?

And whoever among you cannot [find] the means to marry free, believing women
then [he may marry] from those whom your right hands possess of believing slave girls
4.25

General rule: It is prohibited to marry a believing slave girl (33.50)

Are you on some sort of substance? That verse says that you indeed can marry a believing slave girl. This is confirmed by Surat Al-Baqarah 2:221:

"And do not marry polytheistic women until they believe. And a believing slave woman is better than a polytheist, even though she might please you."

The verse says that a believing woman is better than an unbelieving woman, even if she's a slave, even if she's a beggar, even if she's ugly and does not appeal to you, and indeed you can marry her. You're walking in the footsteps of GC...dishonest arguments, you don't know what you're talking about dude :\

[FatAndFaithless]

I don't think the muslimatheist believes in god. I could be wrong.

I believe, I am God, You are God, and everyone and everything is God. . . It is our "desire" that is God and it is either we prostrate and benefiting humanity etc, or we create destruction . . we are the successive authority on Earth . The powers is in our hands, our choice.

I...I'm God? Why wasn't I told?!

[Muslim Atheism]

Can you please prove to me with verses from the Quran ?

Do you wish to leave the issue of whether Allah commands kidnapping of innocent girl?

. . .

I don't understand your argument...are you saying a Muslim should not have more than one wife?

The Quran is like a statutory law . . with general rules, exceptions, and illustrations etc.
One must read the whole Quran and understand the legal framework of the Quran through the principles of logic.

The main point is they can marry more than one, ie. upon compliance with all the exceptions in verse 4:24.
The rule is very clear.

. . .

General rule: One wife (33.50) and polygamy is unjust (4.129)

. . .

Polygamy is unjust.

And you will never be able to be equal between wives, even if you should strive [to do so]. (4.129)

ie. no matter what they did, polygamy is unjust. This is the main principle.
. . .

General rule: One wife.

O Prophet (ie. addressing to the Prophet only)
indeed We have made lawful to you (vs. it is unlawful to other than the Prophet)
your wives ( أَزْوَاجَكَ ) (ie. plural. . . more than one, if it is more than one wife, then this rule shall apply)

(1) to whom you have given their due compensation (exception to the Believers, refer verse 4.24)
AND (وَ) (ie. "AND", meaning it is the continuance of matters that are only allowed to the Prophet)
(2) those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] (exception to the Believers, refer verse 4:25-26)
AND (وَ)
(3) the daughters of your paternal uncles
AND (وَ)
(4) the daughters of your paternal aunts
AND (وَ)
(5) the daughters of your maternal uncles
AND (وَ)
(6) the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you
AND (وَ)
(7) a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her

ONLY FOR YOU
EXCLUDING THE BELIEVERS
(33.50)

Seven items that are made lawful only to Prophet Muhammad...

. . .

Exception: 4.24, and the reinstatement of "one wife" in 33.50

IF, THEN, ELSE statement from wording of the verse itself.

AND
IF you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, (conditions)
THEN marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. (exceptions)
BUT IF you fear that you will not be just, (conditions)
THEN [marry only] ONE or those your right hand possesses. (reinstatement of the general rule of one wife in 33.50, "ONE WIFE")
That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].
[END IF]
(4.3)

Therefore, if they cannot fulfil the above conditions. . .

Condition: Cannot marry more than one if they fear of injustice to wives, even if it is for the benefit of the orphan girls (4:24) and (4:129).

. . .

Are you on some sort of substance? That verse says that you indeed can marry a believing slave girl.:

Who says they cannot marry a believing slave girl ?
This is the condition for marrying a believing slave girl.

AND whoever among you cannot [find] the means to marry free, believing women,
THEN [he may marry] from those whom your right hands possess of believing slave girls.
4.29

and there are other conditions that must be fulfilled.

General rule: It is prohibited to marry a believing slave girl (33.50)

. . . [this is] only for you, excluding the believers. (33.50)

Exception: It is allowed upon compliance all the conditions in verse 4:25-26 (refer here).

Conditions: Must fulfil all the conditions, otherwise cannot marry slave girl.

1. This exception is for those who cannot find the means to marry free, believing women
2. This exception is for those who fears of committing sin (but to be patient is better for them)
3. One must marry that girl
4. One must get the permission from their people
5. One must give them their due compensation
6. One must compensate them according to what is acceptable by them
7. They should be chaste
8. They should not of those who commit unlawful intercourse randomly
9. They should not of those who take secret lovers
10. She must be from his right hands possess

[Ksa]

I don't think the muslimatheist believes in god. I could be wrong.

I believe, I am God, You are God, and everyone and everything is God. . . It is our "desire" that is God and it is either we prostrate and benefiting humanity etc, or we create destruction . . we are the successive authority on Earth . The powers is in our hands, our choice.

You sound like you're an indian idol worshiper. Watch-out though, it is mentioned in Yajurved 40:9:

"Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste" Which means:

"They enter darkness, those who worship natural things (for example air, water, sun, moon, animals, fire, stone, etc).

Yajurveda 32:3: "Na tasya pratima asti "meaning "there is no image of him"

Of thy God, there is no picture, there is no painting, there is no portrait, there is no idol, there is no sculpture, there is no statue, there is no photograph. This is confirmed in Surat Al-'Ikhlāş 112 verses 1 to 4...Say he's Allah the one and only....he begets not nor is he begotten...there's nothing like onto Him. You don't read the Qur'an.

Atharvaveda praises God, in Book number 20, hymn number 58, verse 3:

""Dev maha osi" or "God is verily great"

and in Rigveda, book number 8, hymn number 1, verse number 1:

"Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata" or "O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him alone."

Praise him ALONE, he ALONE deserves worship. The Bible also speaks of prophet Muhammed (pbuh), in the Song of Solomon, chapter number 5, verse number 16 which says in Hebrew:

"Hiku mamtakeem, vihulo Muhammadin, zedudi vei zerii, benok Jerusalaim."

He is Mohammad! Oh daughters of Jerusalem. He is MOHAMMAD!. "din" is the plural of respect in Hebrew and Muhammad is where the prophet is mentioned by name in the Bible.

Jesus also speaks of prophet Muhammad in the Bible, in the gospel of John, chapter number 16, verse number 12 which says:

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now."
"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

Jesus is telling the Jews of the oncoming of prophet Muhammad, telling them that they cannot hack onto the message, but they should be patient because another messenger will be sent to the people when the time will come.

Tough luck bro, you gotta go back to praying with your ass up. Life is hard when you believe all kinds of crap

[Muslim Atheism]

You sound like you're an indian idol worshiper.

Okay, but looks like the Angels are associating Allah with Adam, committing Shirk . . .
Iblees prostrate to Allah Alone, he is God Alone (Bigot), but then he is a disbeliever.

And when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam"; so they prostrated
except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers
2.34

Who is Adam ? Us . . .

And when your Lord
took from the children of Adam
from their loins
their descendants
and made them testify of themselves
[saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?"
They said, "Yes, we have testified."
[This] - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection
"Indeed, we were of this unaware"
(7:172)


From a God who thinks like man, to man who thinks like God!

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I...I'm God? Why wasn't I told?!

LOL! If you are married, just imagine your wife and children are God, how will you treat your wife and children ?

How your wife treats you if you are God ?

How will you treat your parents? Neighbours? Co-workers? Society ?

You'll get the idea.

[FatAndFaithless]

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I...I'm God? Why wasn't I told?!

LOL! If you are married, just imagine your wife and children are God, how will you treat your wife and children ?

How your wife treats you if you are God ? Your parents? Neighbours? Co-workers? Society ?

You'll get the idea.

I'd rather be treated like a human, to be honest. No godliness needed.

[Muslim Atheism]

I'd rather be treated like a human, to be honest. No godliness needed.

Okay, I'm just describing the ideology of Islam from the Quran. . when it was first revealed, it can be both good and destructive in nature.

[JuliaL]

I believe, I am God, You are God...

So I'm God?
Gee, I seem to have misplaced some of my omniscience.
Can you please remind me of how I should remember stock prices from 3 weeks from now?
I've got some purchases to make.

;

[Muslim Atheism]

The point. . .

I'm just describing the ideology

philosophical point of view, no religion in Islam. . . and no God in Islam, and for those who successfully. . .

Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior.
33:4

those with no heart and assimilate with the source . . .

and I couldn't agree with these facts because it is inconsistent with the premises from the Quran



there is no logic in the story when it is contradicting many premises from the Quran
and also, he may have not understand the true premises

but at some points it describe the ideology of Islam
the philosophical ideology of no God and no religion, ie. .

it can be both good and destructive in nature.

and. . .

Sectarianism = Religion
Non Sectarianism = Freedom of Religion

[Muslim Atheism]

Of thy God, there is no picture, there is no painting, there is no portrait, there is no idol, there is no sculpture, there is no statue, there is no photograph. This is confirmed in Surat Al-'Ikhlāş 112 verses 1 to 4...Say he's Allah the one and only....he begets not nor is he begotten...there's nothing like onto Him. You don't read the Qur'an.

Yes , and "No God" . . . Allah is not God (refer here).

Allah used the word “God” because human beings only understand the concept of “gods” for Creator (or whatever it is, who knows). It is human terms and for human understanding, it cannot explain the exact nature of Allah. Similarly, if I tell you a person name "John" and he is a human being lives in Japan, this cannot explain the exact nature of "John". You have to give his identification number and his address, and other things that define him.

Therefore the Quran provide the "interpretation provision" for Allah. All references of "God" must be subjected to the “interpretation provision” in Chapter 112, Sura Al-Ikhlas. It is a chapter or provision that defines what is Allah. Similarly, we have a “The Interpretation Act 1978 (UK)”, “The Interpretation Act 1987 (NSW)”, or an interpretation provision in every statutory acts; “In this Act the following words and expressions are used in the following senses, unless a contrary intention appears from the context”; Section 2 in every statutory legislation, or an interpretation clause in every Contracts.

Hence, no Muslim should be bother what is Allah. . .
Allah is not God, verse 112 clearly says Allah is One, Absolute, not beget/begotten, "none like Him" . . and the Quran says

no one knows its interpretation (3.7)

and this means, "no one knows its interpretation". . not someone knows its interpretation.
This primary message negated and nullified the concept of Godhood altogether

لا إله إلا الله
There is no God (25.43), only Allah

Therefore, the ideology of God and deity is absolutely rejected (it is shirk, they equate the concept Godhood; and this leads to duality, Allah and other God). .
and Muslim should only be bothered about the "Deen" of Islam, ie. the practical aspect of life, and not the illusion (Verse 3.7).