Believers!! Don't mislead people

[Muslim Atheism]

Tough luck bro, you gotta go back to praying with your ass up. Life is hard when you believe all kinds of crap

That's for people who believe in God and Sectarianism (is a Religion).
The doctrine of Islam is "No God", and "No Religion". . .they don't believe in that all kinds of crap

They believe. . .

لا إله إلا الله
No (لَا) God (إِلَٰهَ) Only (إِلَّا) Allah (اللَّهُ)

No God Only Allah
Therefore, Allah is not God, because the first premise is "No God"
If Allah is God, then it will nullify the first premise of "No God".
And it cannot be "except Allah" or "but Allah" because it will also nullify the first premise of "No God". It is "duality", Shirk.
It is "Only Allah", and it corroborates with Chapter 112, Allah is One, Absolute, none like Allah, and not beget/begotten.

Thus, Allah is not God, and Islam is against the God and Sectarianism (is a Religion).
And a True Muslim shall Jihad within themselves to wipe out all God (25.43, 45.23, idolism) and Sectarianism (is a Religion)
This is what I believe. . .

[Muslim Atheism]

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

There is a slew of verses in that vile comic book that treat women as filthy and blame women for what men do and treat them like SHIT, just like the bible does.

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ISSUE: Whether the Quran treat women as filthy, blame women and treat women like SHIT?

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Women in the Quran
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

Marry of the women two, or three, or four.--4:3

Already answered this issue (refer here)


So what is the problem?

In what way the Quran treat women as filthy and like shit?

Please prove your contention.

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http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

There is a slew of verses in that vile comic book that treat women as filthy and blame women for what men do and treat them like SHIT, just like the bible does.

. . .

ISSUE: Whether the Quran treat women as filthy, blame women and treat women like SHIT?

. . .

Women in the Quran
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

Virgins await those who enter paradise. 2:25

Why not ?

That verse said. . .

And give good news to those who believe and do good works
that they will have estates with rivers flowing beneath them
Every time they receive a provision of its fruit, they say:
"This is what we have been provisioned before,"
and they are given its likeness.
And there they will have pure mates
and in it they will abide.
(2:25)

So what is the issue ? It is in Paradise.

In what way the Quran treat women as filthy and like shit?

Please explain. . .

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http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

There is a slew of verses in that vile comic book that treat women as filthy and blame women for what men do and treat them like SHIT, just like the bible does.

. . .

ISSUE: Whether the Quran treat women as filthy, blame women and treat women like SHIT?

. . .

Women in the Quran
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

It's OK to have sex with your wives during Ramadan (at least after sunset). In fact you must "hold intercourse with them." All of them. It is your sacred Muslim duty. 2:187

Read again, it doesn't say like the article said about the verse.

"for you" is "plural". . and therefore the word is "women"



P – prefixed preposition lām
PRON – 2nd person masculine plural personal pronoun

It has been made lawful for you during the night of fasting to approach your women sexually.
They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them.
God knows that you used to betray your souls so He has accepted your repentance, and forgiven you;
now you may approach them and seek what God has written for you.
And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn;
then you shall complete the fast until night;
and do not approach them while you are devoted in the temples (system of Ramadhan).
These are the boundaries of God, so do not transgress them.
It is thus that God clarifies His revelations to the people who they may be righteous.
(2:187)


In what way the Quran treat women as filthy and like shit?

Does the author know about the subject he wrote ?

Please prove your contention/point.

[Brian37]

After several of us posted verses, if you cannot see simple words in front of you, we cant help you. You are a deluded idiot and there is no help for you.

[Muslim Atheism]

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

There is a slew of verses in that vile comic book that treat women as filthy and blame women for what men do and treat them like SHIT, just like the bible does.

. . .

ISSUE: Whether the Quran treat women as filthy, blame women and treat women like SHIT?

. . .

Women in the Quran
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

Next Allah gets down to the really important things in life. Things we all wonder about from time to time. Like should I marry a few idolatresses? Is an Islamic concubine better than a really hot Christian woman? Should I refuse to give my daughter to a Jewish man until he becomes a Muslim? And who should I invite to the Fire anyway? 2:221

Why not ?

Allah said "until they believe" and abides to the rules in the Quran.

It is not about them, it is about what they believe. . . and Allah referring to both male and female. ..

And do not marry the female polytheists until they believe.
For a believing female servant is better than a polytheist even if she attracts you.
And do not marry the male polytheists until they believe.
For a believing male servant is better than a polytheist even if he attracts you.
Those invite to the Fire, while God is inviting to the Paradise and forgiveness by His consent.
He clarifies His revelations for the people that they may remember.
(2:221)

So what is the problem?

In what way the Quran treat women as filthy and like shit?

Does the author know about the subject he wrote ?

Please prove your contention/point.

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http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

There is a slew of verses in that vile comic book that treat women as filthy and blame women for what men do and treat them like SHIT, just like the bible does.

. . .

ISSUE: Whether the Quran treat women as filthy, blame women and treat women like SHIT?

. . .

Women in the Quran
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

Menstruation is a filthy disease. All good Muslim men should stay the hell away from menstruating women And for God sakes, don't have sex with them while they're menstruating. It creeps Allah out just to think of it. 2:222a

But don't worry guys. After they clean up you can have sex with them whenever you want. Allah loves clean men as much as he hates menstruating women. 2:222b

Why not ?

You make sex with menstruating women ?

Sorry, I don't do that kind of stuff. . .if you wish, you go ahead.


And they ask you about the menstruations?
Say: "It is harmful, so retire yourselves sexually from the women during the menstruations,
and do not approach them until they are cleansed.
When they are cleansed, then you may approach them as God has commanded you."
God loves the repenters and He loves the cleansed.
Your women are a cultivation for you.
So approach your cultivation as you wish towards goodness.
And be aware of God and know that you will meet Him
and give good news to the believers.
(2:222-223)


and what is the problem?

In what way the Quran treat women as filthy and like shit?

Does the author know about the subject he wrote ?

Please prove your contention/point.

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http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

There is a slew of verses in that vile comic book that treat women as filthy and blame women for what men do and treat them like SHIT, just like the bible does.

. . .

ISSUE: Whether the Quran treat women as filthy, blame women and treat women like SHIT?

. . .

Women in the Quran
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

Still, if a man doesn't want to have sex with his wives, Allah is OK with that, too. Wait four months, then if they change their minds, go ahead and have sex with them. 2:226

This is the process about before taking a decision to divorce.

For those who abstain from their wives
they shall be given four months
If they cease, then God is Forgiving, Merciful
And if they insist on the divorce
then God is Hearer, Knowledgeable
2:226-227


So what is the problem?

In what way the Quran treat women as filthy and like shit?

Does the author know about the subject he wrote ?

Please prove your contention/point.

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http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

There is a slew of verses in that vile comic book that treat women as filthy and blame women for what men do and treat them like SHIT, just like the bible does.

. . .

ISSUE: Whether the Quran treat women as filthy, blame women and treat women like SHIT?

. . .

Women in the Quran
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

Women may not have sex for three months after getting a divorce. If they skip one of their filthy periods, they must not hide it. In such a case, Allah suggests that their ex-husbands take their pregnant wives back. 2:228a
Women have rights that are similar to men, but men are "a degree above them." 2:228b

It is about before they are getting married again, and in case they are pregnant and giving chances for them to reconcile.

And those divorced shall wait for three menstruation periods
and it is not lawful for them to conceal what God has created in their wombs,
if they believe in God and the Last Day.
And their husbands would then have just cause to return together, if they both wish to reconcile.
And the obligations owed to them are to be fulfilled, as are the obligations owed by them.
But the men will have a greater responsibility over them in this.
And God is Noble, Wise.
2:228


So what is the issue ?

In what way the Quran treat women as filthy and like shit?

Does the author know about the subject he wrote ?

Please prove your contention/point.

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http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

There is a slew of verses in that vile comic book that treat women as filthy and blame women for what men do and treat them like SHIT, just like the bible does.

. . .

ISSUE: Whether the Quran treat women as filthy, blame women and treat women like SHIT?

. . .

Women in the Quran
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

If you divorce your wife, you must divorce her twice. And she can ransom herself, whatever that might mean. 2:229
But if you divorce your wife for the third time, you can't have her again until she marries another guy. Then if the other guy divorces her, it's OK for you to have sex with your four-times divorced wife. What the hell. These are the limits of Allah. 2:230
After your divorced wives have reached the end of their 3 month waiting period, you can take them or leave them. Just don't make Allah a laughing-stock. 2:231
If you decide to go ahead with the divorce, let your ex-wives get married again. It's cleaner that way. Allah knows; you don't. 2:232
When a man dies, his wives can't have sex for four months and ten days. After that, if they're not pregnant, it's no sin for the dead man if his wives have sex again. 2:234

So what is the issue ?

Does the author know about the subject he wrote ?

And if they insist on the divorce
then God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.
And those divorced shall wait for three menstruation periods
and it is not lawful for them to conceal what God has created in their wombs
if they believe in God and the Last Day
And their husbands would then have just cause to return together
if they both wish to reconcile
And the obligations owed to them are to be fulfilled, as are the obligations owed by them.
But the men will have a greater responsibility over them in this.
And God is Noble, Wise.
The divorce is allowed twice.
So, either they remain together equitably, or they part ways with goodness.
And it is not lawful for you to take back anything you have given them
unless you fear that they will not uphold the boundaries of God.
So if you fear that they will not uphold the boundaries of God,
then there is no sin upon them for what is given back.
These are the boundaries of God so do not transgress them.
And whoever shall transgress the boundaries of God, then these are the wicked.
So if he divorces her again,
then she will not be lawful for him until after she has married a different husband; if he divorces her;
then there is no sin that they come back together if they think they will uphold the boundaries of God.
These are the boundaries of God, He clarifies them for a people who know.
And if you have divorced the women, and they have reached their required interim period,
then either you remain together equitably,
or part ways equitably.
And do not reconcile with them so you can harm them out of animosity;
whoever does so is doing wrong to his soul;
and do not take the revelations of God as mockery.
And remember the blessings of God upon you, and what was sent down to you of the Book and the wisdom, He warns you with it.
And be aware of God and know that God is knowledgeable of all things.
And if you divorce the women, and they reach their required interim period,
then do not make difficulty for them if they wish to remarry their husbands
if they have amicably agreed among themselves out of what is best.
This is to remind any of you who believe in God and the Last Day,
this is better for you and purer;
and God knows while you do not know.
And the divorced mothers are allowed to suckle their children two full years,
if they wish to complete the suckling.
And the man for whom the child is born is responsible for both their provisions and clothing equitably.
A soul is not burdened except with what it can bear.
No mother shall be harmed because of her child,
nor shall a father be harmed because of his child.
And for the guardian is the same requirement.
So if they wish to separate out of mutual agreement and counsel,
then there is no sin upon them.
And if you want to hire nursing mothers,
then there is no sin upon you if you return what you have been given equitably.
And be aware of God, and know that God is watching over what you do.
And for those of you whose lives are terminated and they leave widows behind,
then their widows will have a required interim period of four months and ten.
So when they reach their required interim,
then there is no sin upon you for what they do with themselves in goodness. And
God is Expert to what you do.
2:227-34


So what is the problem?

In what way the Quran treat women as filthy and like shit?

Please prove your contention/point.

[Brian37]

I'd rather be treated like a human, to be honest. No godliness needed.

Okay, I'm just describing the ideology of Islam from the Quran. . when it was first revealed, it can be both good and destructive in nature.

As with all three of the Abraham religions. It is called cherry picking. Focus on the pretty stories and skip over the nasty parts.

The only way people swallow that crap is by ignoring the the fact that this god is immovable, you cannot vote him out of his position, you cannot change his laws, you must obey, you have no consent. He promises you a utopia if you become his gang minion, which is why people cherry pick, because they want that fictional utopia.

By the way, it was not "revealed" at all. It is a complete spin off of Christianity which is a spin off of Hebrew, which is a spin off of the Canaanite polytheism. Humans make up gods and concoct holy books. There is no such thing as a god.

[Muslim Atheism]

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

There is a slew of verses in that vile comic book that treat women as filthy and blame women for what men do and treat them like SHIT, just like the bible does.

. . .

ISSUE: Whether the Quran treat women as filthy, blame women and treat women like SHIT?

. . .

Women in the Quran
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

A woman is worth one-half a man. 2:282

The verse doesn't say like that.

Women's testimony are equal to that of a man or even supersedes as in the case of a wife testifying against her accusation of adultery, 24:6-10. See also, 65:2, 5:106 and 4:6.

However, the financial transactions and contract entered by "guardian" are the only situations where two women may substitute for one man as witness, ie. 2.282. This is to guard against the real possibility that one witness may marry the other witness, and thus cause her to be biased.

If the one who is borrowing is immature
or weak
or he cannot dictate himself,
then let his guardian dictate with justice;
and bring two witnesses from among your men;
if there are not two men,
then a man and two women from whom you will accept their testimony,
so that if one of them becomes blindsided,
then the one can remind the other.
2:282


So what is the problem?

In what way the Quran treat women as filthy and like shit?

Does the author know about the subject he wrote ?

Please prove your contention/point.

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After several of us posted verses, if you cannot see simple words in front of you, we cant help you. You are a deluded idiot and there is no help for you.

What happen ? You gave up with your lies etc ?

We start with the above, prove what you said and don't resort to fallacy . . .

We can carry on until we analysed the whole Quran, through the principles of logic and critical thinking. I got all answer.

[Brian37]

You are a complete dip shit. If that comic book you call a Koran was completely harmless, especially towards women, then women in the middle east would not be being treated like shit. You chose to interpret it a certain way, other people interpret it differently. You sound like every fucking Christian I have debated, "I am reading the bible correctly and the other Christians are not reading it correctly".

In other words, don't fucking argue with me, argue with the assholes who read those same words and justify treating women like property. I actually think the abusive believers and the violent believers are interpreting their books more aptly than you. You simply make excuses to ignore both the violence and the sexism in them, just like a fucking Christian.

Selection bias and cherry picking. It is the same when you do it as when a Christian does it.

Women are property in the Quran as well as the bible, there is no way around it.

[FatAndFaithless]

You are a complete dip shit. If that comic book you call a Koran was completely harmless, especially towards women, then women in the middle east would not be being treated like shit. You chose to interpret it a certain way, other people interpret it differently. You sound like every fucking Christian I have debated, "I am reading the bible correctly and the other Christians are not reading it correctly".

In other words, don't fucking argue with me, argue with the assholes who read those same words and justify treating women like property. I actually think the abusive believers and the violent believers are interpreting their books more aptly than you. You simply make excuses to ignore both the violence and the sexism in them, just like a fucking Christian.

Selection bias and cherry picking. It is the same when you do it as when a Christian does it.

Women are property in the Quran as well as the bible, there is no way around it.

What's even more bizzarre to me is that, if I'm interpreting his religious stance right, he doesn't think the Koran is divine or that a God inspired it...since all 'god' ideas are metaphorical. Makes it even stranger that he's so adamantly trying to spin every verse into something he wants, when he can just as easily admit "They were wrong about this idea 1400 years ago, and I disagree with them", since humans are fallible and imperfect.

[Brian37]

In Saudi Arabia women cannot drive. Women have to ask men permission to do anything and cannot talk to other men and have to go out in public with a male escort. WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THEY GET THAT SHIT FROM?

In Afghanistan it is even worse, girls are not allowed to get an education, and Malala in Pakistan was shot by Taliban thugs because she dared to get an education. AGAIN YOU FUCKWAD, WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THEY ARE GETTING THAT FROM?

BECAUSE all of them read the words in the that vile comic book to justify sexism and treat women AT best as second class citizens but mostly they treat them LIKE CATTLE.

The only reason I am continuing to respond to your ignorance and stupidity is because I want ARAB women to read this and KNOW they do not have to put up with this shit.

[Muslim Atheism]

The only reason I am continuing to respond to your ignorance and stupidity is because I want ARAB women to read this and KNOW they do not have to put up with this shit.

Too bad, I thought you were serious with the discussion, and have logical explanations for your contentions
but it is just your opinion and dogmatism. Carry on. . .

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You are a complete dip shit. If that comic book you call a Koran was completely harmless, especially towards women, then women in the middle east would not be being treated like shit. You chose to interpret it a certain way, other people interpret it differently. You sound like every fucking Christian I have debated, "I am reading the bible correctly and the other Christians are not reading it correctly".

Minor issue, and can easily be resolved through the principles of logic. . .

ie. the interpretation or conclusion shall not be inconsistent with any verses of the Quran.

Do they not reflect on the Qur'an? (ie. including the interpretation)
If it was from any other than God
they would have found in it many a discrepancy (ie. one or more false premises)
4:82

and no valid conclusion can have one or more false premises and a true conclusion.

And do not mix the Truth with Falsehood (2:42)

O People of the Scripture
why do you confuse the Truth with Falsehood
3:71

and the principle of Islamic Jurisprudence. . .

Priority of the Quran over the Sunnah
A Sunnah is the second source of the Shari’ah next to the Qur’an,
the mujtahid is bound to observe an order of priority between the Qur’an and Sunnah.
Hence in his search for a solution to a particular problem,
the jurist must resort to the Sunnah ONLY WHEN he fails to find any guidance in the Qur’an.
Should there be a clear text in the Qur’an, it must be followed and be given priority over any ruling of the Sunnah
which may happen to be in conflict with the Qur’an
Principles of Islamic Jurisprudence; p.58 Second Revised Edition; Mohammad Hashim Kamali

So. . the doctrine of Islam is from the Quran, the main source and its Constitution.

But I agree with you. . .what they did is wrong and I reject those "religion"
in fact. .they are not following the Quran. . .
It is not about the doctrine "Islam", it is about "Muslim" (from these categories: munafiqoon, mushrikeen and fasiqoon)

Mr Askari explained that Muslim countries do very badly on these types of lists because those in power in Islamic countries often don't follow the rules of the Koran; IRELAND is the best country in the world for adhering to the Koran, according to an Economic 'Islamicity' Index.