No True Scotsman

[fr0d0]

When did you stop beating your wife?

I am not married and don't hit women.

Now, how you can you claim to be a Christian, but at the same time be so arrogant as to dismiss the teachings of Christ?

It's called the loaded question fallacy. You think you're saying what Christ said, when in fact you're not.

[Chad32]

I got it and ignored it min

Pickup.. Of course that's what it teaches. Why would anyone do it otherwise? Christianity teaches that it's in our nature...what's your alternate explanation? Other solutions are:

Accept your imperfections (humanism etc)
Punish yourself/make sacrifices (other religions)

Christianity's answer:

Grant direct access to perfection

Sure people fail all of the time. Critics cite that as reason not to try. Throwing the baby out with the bath water.


How and why the hell wouldn't you want to accept this best solution?

While setting a high standard is good, standards that are impossible to reach are worthless. I don't feel the need to beg forgiveness for not being able to do something that's impossible to do.

I find no evidence that your god is perfectly good. While you may call him sinless, that doesn't mean much when sin is basically things he doesn't like. If no one can force him to do things he doesn't like, it's easy to be sinless. That doesn't mean he's good in the eyes of everyone else.

[fr0d0]

You need forgiveness for what you're doing wrong not what you haven't done.

The humanist is fatalistic.

I don't recognise the god you describe.

[Chad32]

You don't recognize the type of god that says we need to be "saved" because we're not already perfect? The type of god that created hell for every person to go to, regardless of what they've done in their lives, except for those who beg forgiveness for not being exactly like he wants us to be?

[Hoopington]

I am not married and don't hit women.

Now, how you can you claim to be a Christian, but at the same time be so arrogant as to dismiss the teachings of Christ?

It's called the loaded question fallacy. You think you're saying what Christ said, when in fact you're not.

Ah, so, you don't believe the words of the book that are the basis for your beliefs?

[Tonus]

Christianity thinks we have the potential and offers a way to achieve it. Humanism stops at the inadequacies. It accepts what we are and tries to work with that. Best of a bad job.

That's... pretty accurately put, IMO.

[The Grand Nudger]

You seem to be using the word "humanist/humanism" as a dumpster for a bunch of negative adjectives that don;t seem to have much to do with humanists or humanism Frodo. Since you're schooling people in logic, what do you think the danger might be in using a term in such a manner? I mean obviously some have expressed a bit of consent but you generally manage to wiggle your sentences around so that fully half of any given sentence about humanism/humanists doesn't follow IMO.

[fr0d0]

You don't recognize the type of god that says we need to be "saved" because we're not already perfect? The type of god that created hell for every person to go to, regardless of what they've done in their lives, except for those who beg forgiveness for not being exactly like he wants us to be?

Yes, no.

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Ah, so, you don't believe the words of the book that are the basis for your beliefs?

I believe it doesn't say what you think it says

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I would agree rhythm. I'll claim a rough place holder.

[Chad32]

You don't recognize the type of god that says we need to be "saved" because we're not already perfect? The type of god that created hell for every person to go to, regardless of what they've done in their lives, except for those who beg forgiveness for not being exactly like he wants us to be?

Yes, no.

You think Yahweh didn't create hell? Then who did?

[GrandizerII]

You need forgiveness for what you're doing wrong not what you haven't done.

Not from God.

How can a feeble puny being be able to wrong a mighty one like God? That would be such a highly sensitive God if he truly existed.