No True Scotsman

[Silver]

if a nation or individual is truly following the teachings of Jesus Christ would they have committed those atrocities?

Yes.

What theists view as moral tends to be highly immoral. Just because one attaches the concept of Jesus to an act does not automatically make that act moral.

When others suffer due to theistic acts in the name of god, then clearly the theist has a skewed comprehension of what it means to both be human and good.

[Lek]

No. You are using the no true scotsman fallacy when applied to a true christian. There is no consistent definition of a true christian. Even if we use a definition like: 'one who follows jesus teachings' there are 4000 different denominations of christianity with 4000 different views on what jesus teachings are. Which denomination is the true one? Is it yours? We have no way of knowing.

There's no way that Jesus' teachings can be interpreted as committing the atrocities that Christianity has been accused of. I don't care what denomination it is. I guess anybody could take anything and interpret it in a convoluted way.

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if a nation or individual is truly following the teachings of Jesus Christ would they have committed those atrocities?

Yes.

What theists view as moral tends to be highly immoral. Just because one attaches the concept of Jesus to an act does not automatically make that act moral.

When others suffer due to theistic acts in the name of god, then clearly the theist has a skewed comprehension of what it means to both be human and good.

Did Jesus teach that it was right to murder or mistreat people?

[Silver]

Did Jesus teach that it was right to murder or mistreat people?

Apparently, he did, for theists are fond of stating that their acts are done in his name.

[Lek]

Did Jesus teach that it was right to murder or mistreat people?

Apparently, he did, for theists are fond of stating that their acts are done in his name.

That's my point. He didn't.

[Bad Wolf]

No. You are using the no true scotsman fallacy when applied to a true christian. There is no consistent definition of a true christian. Even if we use a definition like: 'one who follows jesus teachings' there are 4000 different denominations of christianity with 4000 different views on what jesus teachings are. Which denomination is the true one? Is it yours? We have no way of knowing.

There's no way that Jesus' teachings can be interpreted as committing the atrocities that Christianity has been accused of. I don't care what denomination it is. I guess anybody could take anything and interpret it in a convoluted way.

Did you miss my point on purpose or by accident? What you just said, had nothing to do with what I just said. Read it again.

[Ryantology]

Horrible things have been done by all of humanity. Fortunately, all we need do is to "repent, and be saved"!

Motherfucker should be saving us right here where we can all see it. Promise me shit that I can only collect after I die? How fucking dumb do you have to be to fall for a scam that obvious?

[Chad32]

No. You are using the no true scotsman fallacy when applied to a true christian. There is no consistent definition of a true christian. Even if we use a definition like: 'one who follows jesus teachings' there are 4000 different denominations of christianity with 4000 different views on what jesus teachings are. Which denomination is the true one? Is it yours? We have no way of knowing.

There's no way that Jesus' teachings can be interpreted as committing the atrocities that Christianity has been accused of. I don't care what denomination it is. I guess anybody could take anything and interpret it in a convoluted way.

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Yes.

What theists view as moral tends to be highly immoral. Just because one attaches the concept of Jesus to an act does not automatically make that act moral.

When others suffer due to theistic acts in the name of god, then clearly the theist has a skewed comprehension of what it means to both be human and good.

Did Jesus teach that it was right to murder or mistreat people?

I will admit that Jesus didn't do as many horrible things as Yahweh did, unless you think those two are the same person, but even if Jesus is a different person he still worshiped Yahweh. Who is an obviously evil person to anyone who doesn't worship him.

The actions of Jesus kind of lose some of their credit when he unapologetically worships the guy from the old testament. Even if you ignore things like commanding people to put him above everyone else, anf giving away all possessions to follow him. Neither of which are very good ideas coming from a guy who died and disappeared a year or so after he started teaching things that have been taught by people before his time.

[Thackerie]

A lot of it seems to depend on what the current society thinks. Some people believe we should treat each other equally, and one Human should have as many rights as another. Yet christians often resist this, saying that women should be subservient to men, black people should be the property of white people, and homosexuals shouldn't be able to be with the people they love. Many would say equality is a good thing, but since it isn't good according to the book then we shouldn't do it?

Jesus taught that we're all equal in God's eyes. He never said that woman not equal to men, but that in the family and the church they have different roles. He definitely never stated that black people should be the property of white people. He did say that people should not have sexual relations with people of the same sex, but also that sex for everyone should be within the married state. Either this means he hates everyone or the said there's a proper situation for sexual relations.

Just where did Jesus say "people should not have sexual relations with people of the same sex" (book, chapter, and verse)?

I don't think Jesus said one word about homosexuality that was ever recorded in the Bible. I don't think you know your Bible at all.

[DeistPaladin]

There's no way that Jesus' teachings can be interpreted as committing the atrocities that Christianity has been accused of.

Jesus taught about Hell and the faith-based scheme of salvation, which inspired the atrocities.

Did Jesus teach that it was right to murder or mistreat people?

Yes. He threatened people with eternal torture.

Given how Hell and salvation are central to Christianity, the pithy sayings about peace and love are afterthoughts.

[Minimalist]

His actions are not caused by him being a christian and it's not the fault of christianity.

Granted, but I was mainly taking issue with this statement of yours:

"Therefore I ask if a nation or individual is truly following the teachings of Jesus Christ would they have committed those atrocities?"

The answer, as I think I have just demonstrated, is yes. Just because a person is a Christian does not mean they can't commit atrocities.

Lek seems to want to forget this little bit of propaganda that his side puts out, Divi Tiberio.



We can do whatever we want but our invisible sky-daddy pats us on the head and tells us it's okay.

Convenient pile of shit they have cobbled together for themselves.