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Where's the line between atheist and oppressor?
#21
RE: Where's the line between atheist and oppressor?
(June 26, 2014 at 8:42 am)Knowledge of God Wrote:
(June 26, 2014 at 8:35 am)Esquilax Wrote: Are you therefore admitting that Islam is the true religion, since you lack a belief in the Islamic god, therefore it must be real, right? And Allah had no son, meaning Jesus can't be real, meaning that the christian god is fake.

Are you a muslim yet? Dodgy

There's only one true God, your maker.

P.S. Can you follow your own reasoning?

Baseless assertion.

Citation needed.

Esquilax was actually parodying your reasoning, not employing his own. So it's you who needs to resolve the contradiction, not him.
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#22
RE: Where's the line between atheist and oppressor?
(June 26, 2014 at 8:16 am)Knowledge of God Wrote: To be able of having non-belief in a deity, there must be one, right?

Can you have non-belief in a deity if the deity does not exist? I find it kind of weird going around claiming not to believe in something which does not exist.
Yeah, it's really strange...
Almost like not believing in Peter Pan and that fairy tail:



Since I don't believe in Peter Pan, then Peter Pan must exist, right?
Same goes for Darth Vader, Yoda, Harry Potter, Leprechauns, etc, etc, etc, etc...
They ALL have to exist, or else it's very strange that people have a non-belief in them!

(June 26, 2014 at 8:16 am)Knowledge of God Wrote: The point of atheists seems to be of a contradicting belief.
No.
Atheists seem to have no belief. period.

(June 26, 2014 at 8:16 am)Knowledge of God Wrote: You are the strangers upon this earth. God created this earth and your butt. Everything on earth is created by God and is His.
Got any way to verify that claim?


(June 26, 2014 at 8:16 am)Knowledge of God Wrote: It's not my problem if he kills you just because you don't behave. If you ever cared about your life anyway.
I have never known of any atheist killed by any god... nor any theist killed by any god. So... empty threat is.... empty.
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#23
RE: Where's the line between atheist and oppressor?
(June 26, 2014 at 8:16 am)Knowledge of God Wrote: To be able of having non-belief in a deity, there must be one, right?

Can you have non-belief in a deity if the deity does not exist? I find it kind of weird going around claiming not to believe in something which does not exist.
I call poe.
No one with more than 2 working brain cells can use an argument this illogical and be serious about it.
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#24
RE: Where's the line between atheist and oppressor?
(June 26, 2014 at 8:42 am)Knowledge of God Wrote: There's only one true God, your maker.

P.S. Can you follow your own reasoning?

It's your own reasoning, actually, and under the premises of it that you set forward- that one cannot disbelieve in something without that thing existing- the one true god must be Allah and not the christian god to you, because you disbelieve in Allah, meaning he must exist, and Allah has no son, meaning Jesus is an impossibility and your bible not worth following.

You see, I'm making fun of you, in order to demonstrate how completely idiotic your claim actually is. The fact that you took that seriously is just the icing on the cake.
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#25
RE: Where's the line between atheist and oppressor?
(June 26, 2014 at 8:16 am)Knowledge of God Wrote:
(June 26, 2014 at 8:05 am)Chad32 Wrote: I'm pretty sure that historically religious people have oppressed the masses a lot more than atheists. While there may have been atheist leaders who oppressed people, they didn't have a book that commanded them to kill everyone that didn't conform to their beliefs.

You're either a troll, or quite ignorant. The ONLY thing atheism is, is the non belief in a deity. Aside from that, atheists run the gamut between a generous, law abiding citizen, and a dictator that doesn't worship any gods.

To be able of having non-belief in a deity, there must be one, right?

Can you have non-belief in a deity if the deity does not exist? I find it kind of weird going around claiming not to believe in something which does not exist.

The point of atheists seems to be of a contradicting belief. You are the strangers upon this earth. God created this earth and your butt. Everything on earth is created by God and is His. It's not my problem if he kills you just because you don't behave. If you ever cared about your life anyway.

Daniel 9;9 The Lord our God is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him;

So you can't understand the lack of belief in the existence of one or more gods?

I don't think we can help you with that.

Strangers upon the earth? In what sense? We appear to be fully compatible with all the other creature on this planet biologically. Surely it's obvious we are a natural species to the planet rather than an introduced one.

As for God - which one? There have been so many to choose from? what makes you think yours is the right one and how can you prove that? Not to me of course, I disbelieve in all the same gods you do, plus one, but there are those that believe in other gods just as fervently as you do in yours.
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#26
RE: Where's the line between atheist and oppressor?
(June 26, 2014 at 7:04 am)Knowledge of God Wrote: I've got the impression atheists not only reject the reality of God, they are busy with oppressing those who do believe too.
If Matthew Shepard were alive, he might disagree with you.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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#27
RE: Where's the line between atheist and oppressor?
I find it endlessly ironic the way that Christianity insists on depicting it's self as a "victim".
Perhaps it's inseparable from the system of belief.
Truth be told even someone only casually familiar with scripture can see the attitude toward "unbelievers".
Most atheist feel the same about believers as they would about "flat earthers". If you want to call that persecution then so be it. I guess I persecute believers in Big Foot and Unicorns also. I'd term "active" atheism as self defense. Theists feel perfectly fine about prejudice against atheist both formally and informally. In many places in the US it is officially illegal for atheists to hold public office for instance.

Bible quotes. (Just a very few)
And yes I know that some quotes can be used to defend an opposing position, which to me just points up what a jumbled mess of incoherent contradictions most scripture is. The beliefs of iron age people.

Quote:They are without God.

"Whosoever ... abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God." -- 2 John 9

They are all antichrists.

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." -- 2 John 7

They should be shunned. Neither marry nor be friends with them.

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? ... Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord." -- 2 Cor.6:14-17

They should be killed.

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die." -- Dt.13:6-10
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#28
RE: Where's the line between atheist and oppressor?
(June 26, 2014 at 7:04 am)Knowledge of God Wrote: I've got the impression atheists not only reject the reality of God, they are busy with oppressing those who do believe too.

It never ceases to amaze me how christians seriously believe they are being oppressed. I guess they must know from all the oppressing they've done throughout human history, right?
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#29
RE: Where's the line between atheist and oppressor?
(June 26, 2014 at 9:06 am)Napoléon Wrote:
(June 26, 2014 at 7:04 am)Knowledge of God Wrote: I've got the impression atheists not only reject the reality of God, they are busy with oppressing those who do believe too.

It never ceases to amaze me how christians seriously believe they are being oppressed. I guess they must know from all the oppressing they've done throughout human history, right?

Yup. Because as we all know, not getting to push your own brand of bullshit onto other people using public money is 'persecution'.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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#30
RE: Where's the line between atheist and oppressor?
Whatever, just don't blame me for knowing no God.
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