Life after death?

[Napoléon]

That's like having robust debate about whether Vader was a scruncher or a folder when he went to the toilet.

Definitely a scruncher. Ain't no way Vader's got the time to fold. Besides, how wimpy is folding? Folding is something a pussy Jedi would do, scrunching shows anger, scrunching shows hate. Scrunching is the path to the dark side.

[Whateverist]

"But folding telekinetically is more showoffy than a simple scrunch." I retorted robustly.

[FatAndFaithless]

That's like having robust debate about whether Vader was a scruncher or a folder when he went to the toilet.

Definitely a scruncher. Ain't no way Vader's got the time to fold. Besides, how wimpy is folding? Folding is something a pussy Jedi would do, scrunching shows anger, scrunching shows hate. Scrunching is the path to the dark side.

Couldn't Vader just use the force to telekinesis the shit itself and avoid using paper alltogether?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Even crazy Paul said that it's a stretch to think that there is a resurrection of the dead. But he built a religion based on zombies anyway.

Well, now it looks like you're going to have to prove that Christianity promises zombification to its followers.

Try Matthew 27:52-53, 1 Corinthians chapter 15.

[Whateverist]

Couldn't Vader just use the force to telekinesis the shit itself and avoid using paper alltogether?

Nothing very dark side-ish about being green. The death star was even more wasteful.

[Dystopia]

There is absolutely no independently verified scientific evidence of consciousness existing without a physical brain. Once your brain dies, you die.

I never said you'd be conscious. I said that your metaphysical person would continue to exist.
But IF there was a supernatural post-mortem consciousness, how would one be able to prove it in the first place? If I became a ghost, why would I hang around in the body I just died in?p

This all seems nice but there is still no evidence for me to believe in an afterlife. The more I think about it, the more convinced I am I will cease to exist. I may be wrong, but I'm most likely not (that is why I'm an agnostic b sides being an atheist). If you can prove to me that there is an afterlife, I will believe you, I need inductive or deductive evidence. The only reason why so many people, even deists or agnostic non religious deists, continue to have faith in an existence of your personality/person after death is wishful thinking with no rationality or logic/critical thinking behind it. Sure an afterlife would be beautiful or nice, but being nice or beautiful doesn't make it true. Many people can't simply consider they will simply stop existing after they die, and so they unquestionably hold on to comfortable thoughts of fairy-tales, afterlives, heaven's and hell's, reward and punishment, ideas all made up by human beings either to control people or to guide us morally trough our lives.

[Bibliofagus]

I would like to have a conversation with my 'metaphysical self' that will continue to exist even when I'm no longer there.
How do I go about that?

[Dystopia]

I would like to have a conversation with my 'metaphysical self' that will continue to exist even when I'm no longer there.
How do I go about that?

Try talking to yourself

[Bibliofagus]

I would like to have a conversation with my 'metaphysical self' that will continue to exist even when I'm no longer there.
How do I go about that?

Try talking to yourself

I do that often.
I think.

Furthermore I'm remembering all the usefull stuff I told him now. And I'm feeling confident it's being put to good use in the metaphysical realm.

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Many people can't simply consider they will simply stop existing after they die.

This. Non-existence (to me at least) is impossible to visualize at all. Just not being there. My brain says: Does not compute.
But I also believe it's gonna be just like that. When I die, all that I consider to be me, will be gone.

[Dystopia]

Many people can't simply consider they will simply stop existing after they die.

This. Non-existence (to me at least) is impossible to visualize at all. Just not being there. My brain says: Does not compute.
But I also believe it's gonna be just like that. When I die, all that I consider to be me, will be gone.

It's impossible to visualize or imagine, that's why we shouldn't spend too much time thinking about it. You can't image non existence since you exist, therefore it is impossible to imagine what the opposite of you existing feels like. At most I imagine it is like when I blacked out from epileptic seizures, everything was black and sometimes I thought 'I must have died', but I wasn't completely unaware of reality.