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Is it ever right to use a racial slur to make a point?
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RE: Is it ever right to use a racial slur to make a point?
(July 7, 2014 at 7:34 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I hear what you're saying - but I'll take it one farther. I'd like to see the day when the color of one's skin matters not at all *in any context*. In other words, it will be completely unnecessary to refer to someone as a white person or a black person, or any other color.

I'm not suggesting you're a racist, but I'd go one step further. Skin color ought to be like hair color. We see, it. We might have aesthetic preferences, but no stereotypes. We should be able to identify someone based on looks. And we oughtn't be embarrassed to use skin color to describe someone. It's just that the description shouldn't carry more cultural baggage than she's the woman with the really long hair or I mean the bald guy in the corner.
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#62
RE: Is it ever right to use a racial slur to make a point?
(July 7, 2014 at 7:54 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Never gonna happen. The best you can hope for is that skin colour is treated the same way as hair colour, or eye colour. We'll never get to a point where people's defining features will be ignored outright.

When "the black woman sitting at the front desk" becomes the same type of descriptive language that "the brunette woman sitting at the front desk" is today, and carries the same emotional temperature gradient, it will be a great day for humanity.
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RE: Is it ever right to use a racial slur to make a point?
(July 7, 2014 at 7:54 pm)Napoléon Wrote:
(July 7, 2014 at 7:34 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: In other words, it will be completely unnecessary to refer to someone as a white person or a black person, or any other color.

Never gonna happen. The best you can hope for is that skin colour is treated the same way as hair colour, or eye colour. We'll never get to a point where people's defining features will be ignored outright.

Probably not. Given our history, I can still dream.
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RE: Is it ever right to use a racial slur to make a point?
(July 7, 2014 at 8:55 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote: When "the black woman sitting at the front desk" becomes the same type of descriptive language that "the brunette woman sitting at the front desk" is today, and carries the same emotional temperature gradient, it will be a great day for humanity.

Outside of 'professional' environments I'd say it actually is used like that. Or at least I've heard this kind of descriptive language plenty of times with no negative intentions or connotations.

For instance, if I was at a party and I'm reliving the events the next morning with a friend, I might say "do you remember that guy last night, he was hilarious", but my friend might not know who I mean. I'd respond "the tall black guy, I didn't get his name". If pretty much everyone else at the party wasn't black, I'd be stupid to try and use another descriptor. If it was a guy with ginger hair I'd do the same. Or if he was Asian. Or excessively fat. Or excessively small. Skin colour, or hair colour, or weight, or height... they're all just descriptors. I wouldn't say I want to live in a world where everyone ignores obvious differences. Sounds like an even more ignorant world than what we live in now.
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RE: Is it ever right to use a racial slur to make a point?
(July 7, 2014 at 5:34 pm)Cato Wrote:
(July 7, 2014 at 5:18 pm)A Theist Wrote: Right. Moonbatty at its worst. I guess you'd be just as accepting if I posted a link from FOX News, or a link to something like this...

http://voices.yahoo.com/crash-tea-party-...html?cat=9

You still have to show that the racist displays are the work of "Crash The Tea Party". Can you do this? Do you honestly think this is the case or is it more likely the Tea Party attracts a racist element? Be honest.

No. The Tea Party is not a racist movement. If you want to continue convincing yourself of that then you're going to have to account for the Black membership within the movement, and why Tea Party groups endorse Black candidates like Alan West, i.e., for politcal office. What about the "Occupy Wall Street" movement...would you consider the movement to be racist just because it was endorsed by the "American Nazi Party"?
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RE: Is it ever right to use a racial slur to make a point?
(July 9, 2014 at 5:40 pm)A Theist Wrote: No. The Tea Party is not a racist movement. If you want to continue convincing yourself of that then you're going to have to account for the Black membership within the movement, and why Tea Party groups endorse Black candidates like Alan West, i.e., for politcal office. What about the "Occupy Wall Street" movement...would you consider the movement to be racist just because it was endorsed by the "American Nazi Party"?

I concede that I was a little loose with the absolute position that the Tea Party in and of itself is a racist organization. I don't think however it can be disputed that the Tea Party has attracted a vocal, and for the Tea Party embarrassing, racist element.

My problem with the more prominent Tea Party leaders is that they don't work to stamp out this part of the movement. I can't bring myself to conclude that this amounts to tacit approval of the racist fringe of the Tea Party, but it does smack of a level of tolerance for the sake of ensuring their vote.
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