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logicalreason Offline
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New Here
July 8, 2014 at 9:37 am
I am not new to atheism, but am new here. This is my third post and I also posted in the Religion and Other Religion sections. I am a Baha'i who sees no evidence for the existence of a God or gods, hence a nontheist Baha'i. I also see evidence in the Baha'i writings justifying my position, hence why I am a Baha'i. You can find my justifications and logic in my blog if you search in Google for "nontheist Bahai".

Why am I here? To meet you and to sharpen my logic and reason.

One thing that recently snagged me a bit was theodicy. This is I feel the strongest argument for the existence of God. If evil exists so the human soul can develop, why would a religious person not commit evil to help others advance? Why reduce other's people pain if pain is "good"? An answer may be that doing good is the duty of humans, but it is God who does "evil". But why doesn't this mean that God is evil? Perhaps because all evil helps the humans to grow spiritually. .... This just seems pretty strong to me.

Any other criticisms against theodicy I haven't thought of?
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RE: New Here
July 8, 2014 at 10:48 am
(July 8, 2014 at 9:37 am)logicalreason Wrote: Why am I here? To meet you and to sharpen my logic and reason.
The pressure is on now... Welcome
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RE: New Here
July 8, 2014 at 11:07 am
Welcome aboard, sounds like you have some ideas rattling around between your ears. You should start some threads in the relevant subheaders. We generally refrain from debating (and heated convos) in the introductions section as a courtesy to new members.
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RE: New Here
July 8, 2014 at 11:09 am
Welcome
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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RE: New Here
July 8, 2014 at 11:21 am
Welcome

Look forward to a thread or two on theodicy.
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logicalreason Offline
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RE: New Here
July 8, 2014 at 12:28 pm
Where is the best place to put a thread on theodicy? This is the one thing that's making me question atheism.
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RE: New Here
July 8, 2014 at 1:38 pm
Welcome, welcome.
Enjoy the forum.
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RE: New Here
July 8, 2014 at 2:39 pm
"Three core principles establish a basis for Bahá'í teachings and doctrine: the unity of God, that there is only one God who is the source of all creation; the unity of religion, that all major religions have the same spiritual source and come from the same God; and the unity of humanity, that all humans have been created equal, and that diversity of race and culture are seen as worthy of appreciation and acceptance."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahá'%C3%AD_Faith

Just curious, is this the Baha'i that you believe in? I had to look it up because I had never heard of it before.

Anyways, welcome to AF Big Grin
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RE: New Here
July 8, 2014 at 2:51 pm
Yes this is it. My contention is that "God" is metaphorical though it appears frequently in Bahai books. So basically the info on wiki is ummm misleading.
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RE: New Here
July 8, 2014 at 3:02 pm
(July 8, 2014 at 2:51 pm)logicalreason Wrote: Yes this is it. My contention is that "God" is metaphorical though it appears frequently in Bahai books. So basically the info on wiki is ummm misleading.

Ok so you have your own version of Baha'i that you follow?
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