Solving Illegal Immigration: Labor Unions in Latin America!

[Minimalist]

Here you go, Crist. I'd say that Huff Po published this just for you but the timing is amazing!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-cre...70047.html

Over the last 30 years many in corporate America and the big Wall Street banks have conducted a sustained attack on that human right. Unionization dropped from 20.1 percent of the workforce in 1983 to 11. 3 percent in 2013 -- and the results are there for everyone to see.

During that period productivity and Gross Domestic Product per capita both increased by roughly 80 percent in America. But the wages of ordinary Americans have remained stagnant. Virtually all of the fruits of that increased productivity have gone to the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans.

No wonder the gang on Wall Street opposes unions.

[Dystopia]

Here you go, Crist. I'd say that Huff Po published this just for you but the timing is amazing!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-cre...70047.html

Over the last 30 years many in corporate America and the big Wall Street banks have conducted a sustained attack on that human right. Unionization dropped from 20.1 percent of the workforce in 1983 to 11. 3 percent in 2013 -- and the results are there for everyone to see.

During that period productivity and Gross Domestic Product per capita both increased by roughly 80 percent in America. But the wages of ordinary Americans have remained stagnant. Virtually all of the fruits of that increased productivity have gone to the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans.

No wonder the gang on Wall Street opposes unions.

Why not just ban unions and be done with it?

[Minimalist]

Don't give the republicunts any fucking ideas.

[CristW]

The report seems accurate. The problem with NAFTA, even if restarted, is that the American corporations (or other corporation entities) will copy the same behavior like in the U.S.!

Message to Republicans: Stop supporting these corporations who do not support Labor Unions. Look, the ideas of Art Laffer will not help America and Americans. These ideas will only create social instability and the land will be controlled not by a centralized state but its opposite - centralized business. Both entities are bad for business and society! (Read: Brave New World).

The ideal scenario is if a new type of NAFTA will be created representing both owners of businesses and new Labor Unions within these nations. It is good corporate governance. It is a form of the separations of powers within a business just like we have in the political realm a separations of power between the three branches of government.

Ok, the reason why de-criminalization of drugs MAY NOT work is because it does not address the main problem: the source of supply and demand.

Simply, the drug cartels were formed when there were no employment fairness in Latin America. This created an impetus to create an industry. The impetus was through the supply volume of unemployed individuals within these nations. This supply of unemployed citizens either created Rebels or Drug manufacturers especially in Colombia as a prime example.

Remember, what came first? The supply of drugs or its demand for these drugs???

I propose the idea, that a new paradigm would need to be introduced - The necessary existence of Labor Unions as part of overall corporate governance.

I am sure that we have all evolved to the point that we know that Labor Unions are not necessarily communistic because non-communists could make up the membership of Labor Unions. Therefore, Labor Union entity is a natural formation within society.

[Minimalist]

[CristW]

Hello All,

This is the reason why the increase of Labor Unions (within Latin America) would decrease illegal immigration into the United States. As for the United States, I have highlighted three reasons why Labor Unions have decreased over the years. One missing element to the previous, is the increase of illegal immigration has decreased wages and the supply pool of these workers have been utilized to decrease Labor Unions within the United States. The previous economic reality is the reason why Labor Unions, within the United States, have embraced illegal and legal immigrants because by LEGALIZING migrant workers it has helped to RAISE wages overall !!! The forces, within the corporate entity (who have been even violating efficient corporate governance), have wanted increased illegal immigration(and at times even legal immigrants) to utilize the pool (or supply) of migrant labor to suppress wages to low point. Therefore, the increase of the middle class has been the objective of the Labor Union entity if it exist on both sides of the border. It must be the priority of the Labor Union groups to GLOBALIZE the existence of Labor Unions because this would make it impossible for any corporation to find cheap labor anywhere on Earth !!!


Ok, what does Labor Unions do to any nation on Earth:
1. It increases wages.
2. It increases the political/economic consciousness of the citizen within the nation-state and corporation (increase Voting participation).
3. It allows the worker to participate in the corporate governance of the corporation (decreases the Principal-Agent problem).
4. It decreases government interference or participation in redistributing the national revenue, i.e. benefits or public welfare.(A union worker is less likely to be on Government assistance)

Conclusion: it is the reason why there is a correlation between the two variables.
Note: The (Anti) Drug war was initiated by Pres. Reagan, he initiated a executive order(Executive Order 12564 - Drug Free Federal Workplace / September 15th, 1986) to prevent federal workers in using any type drugs which would hinder productivity and create accidents. Any type of de-criminalization may reduce the underground economy of the drug cartels and criminal empires or criminal enterprises but this would sacrifice public safety.

[CristW]

Hello all,

Not to forget the previous post discussed "push and pull" factors concerning illegal immigration.

Pull factor: United States' relatively high standard of living (You could thank the American Labor Union for their past efforts).

Push factors: Economic instability in Latin American nations, relatively high crime rates in Latin American nations, and poverty rate in Latin America (At fault would be the governments of Latin America and the absence of Labor Unions).

[CapnAwesome]

Hello all,

Not to forget the previous post discussed "push and pull" factors concerning illegal immigration.

Pull factor: United States' relatively high standard of living (You could thank the American Labor Union for their past efforts).

Push factors: Economic instability in Latin American nations, relatively high crime rates in Latin American nations, and poverty rate in Latin America (At fault would be the governments of Latin America and the absence of Labor Unions).

First off, Latin America is a massive and diverse place. The problems are hardly uniform. Some places have high crime, some have lower crime rates than the U.S. The social problems are diverse and different, whether or not they are an exporter of drugs is different. Whether or not they immigrant to the United States illegally is different. So to group them all as though they are a single country is fairly inaccurate and ignorant. There is this odd type of Euro-centrism that argues that foreign countries would be a little better off if they were just a bit more like us.

Second and more importantly, I don't know what makes you think there are no labor unions in Latin America. There are and have been lots. Another example of thinking that you are dealing The idea that labor unions are somehow responsible for the first world standard of living is soo over-simplistic as to be laughable. Approximately 30% of Mexico's labor force is unionized. http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/196-m...t-and-laws That's more than the U.S. So your point fails pretty bad.

Lastly I don't really see the problem with illegal immigration. We have a labor demand in this country and illegal immigration fills it.

[The Grand Nudger]

I have a simpler solution. Extend labor laws into agriculture. Then enforce our labor laws across the board - viciously.

Lastly I don't really see the problem with illegal immigration. We have a labor demand in this country and illegal immigration fills it.

It's a problem because illegal immigrants are treated like sub-humans by their bosses ....who absolutely could hire a citizen that they would be forced to treat like a human being (it's not a labor shortage driving illegal immigration) but that would be inconvenient for the bottom line.

https://www.numbersusa.org/pages/jobs-americans-wont-do

enjoy.

[CristW]

First off, Latin America is a massive and diverse place. The problems are hardly uniform. Some places have high crime, some have lower crime rates than the U.S. The social problems are diverse and different, whether or not they are an exporter of drugs is different. Whether or not they immigrant to the United States illegally is different. So to group them all as though they are a single country is fairly inaccurate and ignorant. There is this odd type of Euro-centrism that argues that foreign countries would be a little better off if they were just a bit more like us.

Second and more importantly, I don't know what makes you think there are no labor unions in Latin America. There are and have been lots. Another example of thinking that you are dealing The idea that labor unions are somehow responsible for the first world standard of living is soo over-simplistic as to be laughable. Approximately 30% of Mexico's labor force is unionized. http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/196-m...t-and-laws That's more than the U.S. So your point fails pretty bad.

Lastly I don't really see the problem with illegal immigration. We have a labor demand in this country and illegal immigration fills it.

1. I am aware that each nation is diverse but I am putting them together to simplify the response. Each nation in Latin America has characteristics which makes them unique. Yes, there are other immigrants coming to the United States from other nations besides Latin America (I also advocated the INCREASE of Labor Unions world-wide). I am NOT being Euro-centric because certain events and human inventions are universal. The nation-state, corporate entity and Labor Union entity are universal and should not be treated as "Euro-centric". The Human experience should be highlighted.

2. I am also aware that Mexico and other nations in Latin America have Labor Unions but there may be in situations where they could not voice an opinion. The lack of Rule-of-Law may be at play in Latin America. Probably what i am advocating is the INCREASE of Labor Unions would DECREASE illegal immigration into the U.S.(These are the TWO variables I am concentrating on)! I have mentioned this before in my previous postings! So, yes, what I am saying is Mexico would need to increase their Labor Union entities or representation. In other words, Mexico would need to INCREASE their Labor Unions when foreign corporations employ Mexicans on Mexican soil as an example. By the way, the United States would have to reverse the trend in which Reagonomics (Art Laffer curve - lower taxation on Corporation) has introduced in the 1980's. Part of the Art Laffer's strategy was the decrease of Labor Unions to reduce the taxation paradigm to corporations.

3. The INCREASE of illegal immigration lowers wages. This has been proven as an observational fact. This is why some corporations favor illegal immigration...wait I have mentioned this dynamic in a previous post. The solution is for current American Labor Unions to assist migrant workers, whether illegal or legal, to raise wages.

4. The reason for my posting is to INCREASE the standard of living outside the United States therefore DECREASING illegal immigration. As for Legal immigration, I think we have administrators and departments which have some sort of quota or the amount of people they allow to legally enter the United States. The United States has a game plan or strategy in place for Legal immigration.