Evolution Facts

[alexwenzel]

Now, give us scientific links to prove your assertions.

Don't give us YouTube links to creationist propaganda.

Provide us with SCIENTIFIC links to your claims.

BTW: Ken Ham, Ray Comfort, AiG, and other creationist propaganda sites/claims are NOT scientific evidence.

I want to see links from real scientists - evolutionary biologists - showing your claims to be true.

You obviously didn't watch anything on the video to say it is only propaganda, there are hundreds of science proof presented. But here is another one with more scientific proof. Im sure you won't watch it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE2_2vuDTao

[The Valkyrie]

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Now, give us scientific links to prove your assertions.

Don't give us YouTube links to creationist propaganda.

Provide us with SCIENTIFIC links to your claims.

BTW: Ken Ham, Ray Comfort, AiG, and other creationist propaganda sites/claims are NOT scientific evidence.

I want to see links from real scientists - evolutionary biologists - showing your claims to be true.

You obviously didn't watch anything on the video to say it is only propaganda, there are hundreds of science proof presented. But here is another one with more scientific proof. Im sure you won't watch it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE2_2vuDTao

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As I suspected. Just going to post YouTube vids.

Wonder if I should start posting vids from AronRa and others.



Now, are you going to produce those links to scientific, peer-reviewed papers or are you just going to do the standard creationist nonsense?

[Esquilax]

You gave me this really long link to read to give me an example of a new species? Why don't you just mention a few in here? I read it thru and didn't see mentioning any new species.

Yes, I gave you a long link: the number of observed speciation events is so voluminous that it requires such a long link to cover them all. That's literally how wrong you are. As for not seeing any new species, the entire report was nothing more than a list of them, divided according to taxonomy. You would have to have not read the thing to not see any.

Yeah about Darwin now that we are a boarding the subject. There is one thing that has been bothering me, and I was wondering if anyone can give me some info about that.

It is the law of entropy. The digression of the matter and energy in the universe to an ultimate state of inert uniformity. In other words, if you look at records there has only been extinctions of species. There has never been any new species recorded.

Wow, are you ever wrong. The second law of thermodynamics, which concerns itself with entropy, states that the entropy of a closed system never decreases. Entropy, by the way, is a measure of disorder, not inertness, so you're even wrong about your own definitions.

Which is moot anyway, since we don't live in a closed system. If you're going to argue that the Earth is a closed system, you're essentially arguing that the sun doesn't exist. Does the sun exist, Alex?

They have tried to prove evolution using millions of fruit flies, since early 1900. They haven't observed not even a little change of an enzyme. Their conclusion was that "fruit flies appear to be immune to evolution."

Bullshit! Diane Dodd was causing fruit flies to speciate and change using reproductive isolation over a decade ago! You're just lying, here.

Same experiment has been conducted with bacterias that have a lifespan of 15 minutes through many many years. Again, no evolution was observed, despite the exposure to chemicals, radiation and etc.

Oof, wrong again! Here's a bacteria that was coaxed to evolve the ability to digest nylon- a substance that didn't exist before 1935- in a laboratory setting, after scientists observed a natural species also evolving that ability while living in runoff from a nylon factory.

If you want to know more about this, look at the video below my friend. It is very easy to understand and very informative. It is not a message of I am right and you are wrong. Let me know if I can help. - Alex :-)

Why the hell would we "want to know more" about what you're saying? You've been factually wrong on every claim you've made! More importantly, your broader claim that we've never seen new species emerge is demonstrably wrong according to pictures and evidence posted on the first page of this thread!

Why should any of us want to know more incorrect information from a person who apparently doesn't care a whit about truth?

[Jenny A]

It is the law of entropy. The digression of the matter and energy in the universe to an ultimate state of inert uniformity. In other words, if you look at records there has only been extinctions of species. There has never been any new species recorded.

WTF--- You have no idea how the law of entropy works. Further, every species you see around you is a new species. They are found lineally in the fossil record. There are no rabbits in the Pleistocene era. Why? Because there were no rabbits in the Pleistocene era. So what are rabbits? A new species like practically every species now on the planet. Ever heard the term "living fossil." Those are the very old species. There aren't many.

They have tried to prove evolution using millions of fruit flies, since early 1900. They haven't observed not even a little change of an enzyme. Their conclusion was that "fruit flies appear to be immune to evolution."

Same experiment has been conducted with bacterias that have a lifespan of 15 minutes through many many years. Again, no evolution was observed, despite the exposure to chemicals, radiation and etc.

Well if you must absolutely lie and say there wasn't when there are published papers demonstrating there have been, sure why not. But it's a little like putting your hands over your ears and chanting "la la la la la la."

If you want to know more about this, look at the video below my friend. It is very easy to understand and very informative. It is not a message of I am right and you are wrong. Let me know if I can help. - Alex :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBz1roiQR8

Well, I lasted through 5 minutes and he didn't say anything. Then I randomly sampled and heard a gross misstatement of Einstein who did say in regard to thinking his use of the world god meant he believed in anything like a Christian god:

I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.

and also this:

I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts.

Yet this idiot claims Einstein for his own.

Then I heard about six flat contradictions of physics and misrepresentations of theory of evolution and I gave up. Next?

[Esquilax]

Regarding that nonsense about entropy, it has already been addressed far more succinctly than I could do:

[Mystical]

Can we stop muddying up my awesome thread with retard? I almost want to split all the bullshit out because it has nothing to do with the OP. All I want are evolution proofs. No discussions. If u want to refute what the fuck I presented, fine. But you arent even doing that, alex. Go start your own creationist religious bullshit propaganda thread, this is a thread about science.

[KichigaiNeko]

Fuck him (Alex) edit the shit out Miss L

[Mystical]

Oh, well, I suppose the fact that he can't present a coherent piece of information refuting evolution-- is proof of evolution technically.. I'm just sick of 100 PG threads hijacked by one single creatard who needs schooled, when we could simply just give them their own 'science for dummies' thread and actually have an unmuddied reference for people to refer to.

[Esquilax]

Oh, well, I suppose the fact that he can't present a coherent piece of information refuting evolution-- is proof of evolution technically.. I'm just sick of 100 PG threads hijacked by one single creatard who needs schooled, when we could simply just give them their own 'science for dummies' thread and actually have an unmuddied reference for people to refer to.

Unfortunately, you can't make people accept facts. Especially not when they've bought into the creationist movement, which tries so desperately to make all of science just another opinion, but not an opinion like creationism is an opinion, because it's also a conspiracy!

Because evolutionists just want to sin!

It's nonsense of course, but when you're a part of a movement that seeks to turn the entirety of reality into a solipsistic mass of opinions except for the one thing they've special pleaded into being a fact, then it's also par for the course. The best thing we can do is lay out the facts and refute the idiots who swing by, not for their sake, but for the sake of those whose minds haven't yet been poisoned by that toxic fantasy.

[coldwx]

[quote='alexwenzel' pid='706970' dateline='1405226564']
"not one change of species into another is on record. We can not prove that a SINGLE specie has ever changed". That quote is by Charles Darwin himself. hock:

That statement still holds true today.

Yeah about Darwin now that we are a boarding the subject. There is one thing that has been bothering me, and I was wondering if anyone can give me some info about that.

It is the law of entropy. The digression of the matter and energy in the universe to an ultimate state of inert uniformity. In other words, if you look at records there has only been extinctions of species. There has never been any new species recorded.

They have tried to prove evolution using millions of fruit flies, since early 1900. They haven't observed not even a little change of an enzyme. Their conclusion was that "fruit flies appear to be immune to evolution."

Same experiment has been conducted with bacterias that have a lifespan of 15 minutes through many many years. Again, no evolution was observed, despite the exposure to chemicals, radiation and etc.

If you want to know more about this, look at the video below my friend. It is very easy to understand and very informative. It is not a message of I am right and you are wrong. Let me know if I can help. - Alex :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBz1roiQR8

Wow. Parroting the creationist second law of thermodynamics argument tells me about all I need to know regarding your knowledge of evolution.

And are you seriously complaining about having to read a long link providing you solid scientific information and then proceed to post over 3 hours of video nonsense? The irony is strong with this one.

I see you still have not addressed your Darwin quote mine.