Is Rape Natural? Part 2, 2014 Edition

[Losty]

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You're spending way too much time in Alice's fantasy Wonderland where everything is foggy and distorted. In the real world there's no gray area as you suppose. There's a clear distintion between black and white and good and evil. Rapists are evil people who have abandoned self control over their urges to commit sexual violence on hapless and unsuspecting victims. This is more of the same idiotic bullshit where there's empathy for the rapist and the victims are ignored.

Black and white? The hell you say.

Let's say someone is neglected by his mother, beaten by his father, and molested by his uncle. He sits in a house of God every Sunday, and finally turns to God for relief, asking a priest to help him purify himself, confessing all that's happened to him. The priest takes him to a back room, tells him he needs holy water sprinkled all over his naked body, and asks him if he's ever masturbated.

So he turns to women. He desperately wants to be accepted by someone, but he's so socially dysfunctional by now that he doesn't understand why every woman finds him creepy. They call him "weirdo" or "freak," and publicly mock his attempts to make a connection with another human being.

This guy now sees that there is nobody in society who will not rob him of his dignity and power. Because he's now a monster, nobody will extend respect or compassion to him. But, he realizes, there is in fact one simple way in which he can prove he has some power over others. He intends to prove that, in some way, he matters. So he follows a girl out of a bar, accosts her in a poorly lit alley, and thinks, "Ignore me now, bitch!"


To say this guy is not a victim is to throw away all understanding of causality. He's been a victim all his life, and all the misery that's been heaped on him finally manifests as an evil act. I wouldn't condone it, and if he raped my daughter, I would attack him and possibly kill him. But certainly to say he's just an evil fuck who's chosen to do an evil thing is too simplistic a view.

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And now I see that you can make me cry and change my opinion all in one post.

[Mystical]

Ok here's the thing, I'm not good at making a guess on how I would feel about circumstances that I don't think are possible.
I have compassion for people who are raised in bad environments, but everyone is exposed to some sort of positive environment. Yes, it sucks that people are raised seeing this kind of thing as okay. I see it the same as child abuse. You can lean on your past and use it as an excuse up to a certain point, but the moment you harm a child you are no longer a victim. Maybe I am too emotional about it, it's really a difficult subject to not be emotional about.
Even with someone with mental health problems, maybe they can't be blamed if their condition is so severe that they don't realize what they're doing, but victims? I just cannot see it that way.

If they have a serious enough mental problem they won't go to jail, mental facilities are the way to go, but only if the condition completely stops freedom of decision and to evaluate the legality of conducts.

Let's say a kleptomaniac, he can't be guilty of patrimonial crimes, so he/she'll be sent to a mental appointment to surpass the problem. If a kleptomaniac murders someone, then he can already be guilty

Not true unfortunately. My sister works in a jail and almost every single one of them has a mental illness. She was intaking a patient one day and it turned out to be a guy we went to school with that she had worked with. He even remembered her name, aw.
He was a rapist that shoved objects up his penis to Punish' himself. Mentally incompetent get thrown in jail. Here in America, anyways. And she worked in the sexual criminal mental health detention unit one time.. Those guys had to be literally unspeakably sick fucks, to get put in there as opposed to jail. I mean SICK. I hate to say it, but mental health (sickness) is the main reason our jails are full. And I honestly do empathise with every single one of them.