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Oldest Clovis Sites Found Thus Far
July 15, 2014 at 10:38 pm
In Mexico...which has the potential to shift the paradigm again.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...r-science/
Quote:El Fin del Mundo is one of the oldest and southernmost Clovis sites ever discovered, according to University of Arizona archaeologist Vance Holliday, a co-author of the study announcing the find, released Monday by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Far from the famous Bering land bridge, the location has researchers questioning the origin of our early ancestors.
"I think sites like El Fin del Mundo really force us to rethink the process of the colonization of the Americas," says archaeologist Thomas Jennings of the University of West Georgia in Carrollton, who was not part of the discovery team.
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RE: Oldest Clovis Sites Found Thus Far
July 15, 2014 at 10:39 pm
(July 15, 2014 at 10:38 pm)Minimalist Wrote: In Mexico...which has the potential to shift the paradigm again.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...r-science/
Quote:El Fin del Mundo is one of the oldest and southernmost Clovis sites ever discovered, according to University of Arizona archaeologist Vance Holliday, a co-author of the study announcing the find, released Monday by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Far from the famous Bering land bridge, the location has researchers questioning the origin of our early ancestors.
"I think sites like El Fin del Mundo really force us to rethink the process of the colonization of the Americas," says archaeologist Thomas Jennings of the University of West Georgia in Carrollton, who was not part of the discovery team. They found plenty in Arizona so why would Mexico be a surprise?
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RE: Oldest Clovis Sites Found Thus Far
July 15, 2014 at 10:43 pm
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Florida has some really anomalous shit as well. Especially below the (current) waterline. Vero beach, IIRC, had some recent finds.
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RE: Oldest Clovis Sites Found Thus Far
July 15, 2014 at 10:45 pm
Because they are older. The theory..fairly well discredited by now...is that Clovis was brought over by the Siberian migrants on the Bering Land Bridge.
To have older sites being found to the south suggests a completely different migratory pattern.
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RE: Oldest Clovis Sites Found Thus Far
July 15, 2014 at 10:49 pm
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They should have been suspiscious from the get-go. Native legends and myths describe events that would seem to predate any siberian bridge. While I'm not a big fan of the factual accuracy of legend and myth.......there simply comes a point, you know what I mean Min?
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RE: Oldest Clovis Sites Found Thus Far
July 15, 2014 at 11:04 pm
(July 15, 2014 at 10:49 pm)Rhythm Wrote: They should have been suspiscious from the get-go. Native legends and myths describe events that would seem to predate any siberian bridge. While I'm not a big fan of the factual accuracy of legend and myth.......there simply comes a point, you know what I mean Min? How do you date a legend? especially one that would 24,000 years old?
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RE: Oldest Clovis Sites Found Thus Far
July 15, 2014 at 11:08 pm
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It's not too difficult, especially legends that describe an event that can be dated without reference to the legend. We could always concede that the legend, in and of itself, can be written/told of as fiction, of course....If I told you a legend that involved a steam engine...or a description of mid 40's US Naval cutters, how would you date that? Not all that hard, in theory, right?
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RE: Oldest Clovis Sites Found Thus Far
July 15, 2014 at 11:21 pm
(July 15, 2014 at 10:49 pm)Rhythm Wrote: They should have been suspiscious from the get-go. Native legends and myths describe events that would seem to predate any siberian bridge. While I'm not a big fan of the factual accuracy of legend and myth.......there simply comes a point, you know what I mean Min?
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RE: Oldest Clovis Sites Found Thus Far
July 15, 2014 at 11:23 pm
Yeah, I know, but every culture seems to have had a creation myth which puts them at the center of creation. I don't put any more stock in paleo-indian legends than I do in judeo-xtian ones. Although certainly in the big scheme of things they are no more silly.
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RE: Oldest Clovis Sites Found Thus Far
July 15, 2014 at 11:31 pm
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(July 15, 2014 at 11:21 pm)Polaris Wrote: Don't they also say the emerged from the underworld? Some do, yeah. We don't have to accept their word as fact -as presented- any more than I accept your silly myth as fact. That being said, I accept that your ridiculous little stories can refer to something just the same as theirs. Myth and legend isn't useless, it just isn't the last word some folks might try to argue it to be. Let me be clear, I'll take the finds over myths every day of the week and twice on sunday.
I don't put any more stock into them myself, but they give us something to wonder about. Some reason to check our assumptions. The reason that I give christers so much shit isn't that they have myths and legends, but that they're so damned vacuous. If we'd found something when we looked into them it would be fantastic. That the myths and legends were even told has to be some part of the reason we took a look in the first place. We could give the native american legends that much, at least. We gave it to the damned christians for less, and despite all evidence to the contrary.
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