God's self esteem and the human free will : NO FORCED CONVERSION WITH THE SWORD

[JesusHChrist]

From what I remember, Loki thought rather a lot of himself too.

So, high self esteem means existence. Therefore Loki!

[Lemonvariable72]

Also it fucking idiocy to respond to someone based on their confidence, how about instead you respond based on their thoughts and actions? Infact some people consider it a mark of wisdom to entertain doubt.

[Cato]

This guy had confidence. So much for the stupid fucking confidence theory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNSsyZOPeq0

[ShaMan]

[WinterHold]

The problem with hell is that it isn't for bad people. It's for people who displease Yahweh. While these two groups may overlap, they aren't the same. Jeffrey Dahmer is supposedly in heaven, while Anne Frank isn't. The only case I could make for Hitler being in hell is that he decided to commit suicide. Otherwise he was a catholic, and presumably said the right things to the right god.

I believe following the laws of this god has caused more harm than good.

When judging a person in a matter like hell, God states it clear that the punishment they get is "their own doing". They suffer with "what their hands have done".

We don't know the effects of many habits and stuff that we do. One example of many is bulling , mainly people start a joke about a person, they would say "hey it's only a joke ! " but the harassed person might go kill himself because of that "joke". it ruined the victim's life.

Many other things -similar to this- are engulfed in our societies. The people who visit hell are those who never spent enough time to think about every tiny consequence of their actions..Muslims too go to hell if they didn't calculate stuff right.

looking "good" in society's eyes, which couldn't calculate the proper consequence of the chain reaction of its habit, is an aimless view.

The chain reaction of behaviors is very underrated..
That's what the Quran also includes ; it makes you think a lot about every action you do, and gives you a set of actions to never do. Think about the chain reaction of these actions ; you'll be like " Yo ! god is right, he does have a point ! "

I'm sorry, but I can't tell you that chain reactions don't exist and that stuff the society think of as "normal" might lead to disasters, wars and miseries.

Islam is not catholicism also. Muslims go to hell if they caused misery to others.

Hitler for example never realized that his oppression would lead to all this misery, the poor guy thought that religion and nationalism is about him bringing glory to his country & people.
You see, seeking glory is forbidden in Islam. Poor Hitler never saw the chain reaction of seeking glory.

JesusHChrist


( 111 ) And even if We had sent down to them the angels [with the message] and the dead spoke to them [of it] and We gathered together every [created] thing in front of them, they would not believe unless Allah should will. But most of them, don't know that. page 142, Quran.

When should Allah wills ?

( 53 ) That is because Allah would not change a favor which He had bestowed upon a people until they change what is within themselves. And indeed, Allah is Hearing and Knowing. page 184, Quran.

Chad32


Hi again

Ah, when I think about his actions I remember the cherry blossom, it warms my heart just to think about he makes the sky rain to grow such lovely plants. And also that look puppies give to you ^^

In other words ; or Katie Perry's lyrics : After the hurricane comes the rainbow. What makes you believe in him is faith that always after sadness comes happiness, he makes you go through tough times to appreciate the good times.
An example of the signs he gives to us to believe in him.

Yes I mentioned before that both do good & bad. Though I totally believe that all the good comes from god ; he taught us to do good without books or anything -just through the signs he created-.

Not only a muslim would appreciate the cherry blossom.
And not only muslims would learn that after the hurricane comes the rainbow

professor

I use modern search engines along with the regular reading.
There's not even a single mention of chasing jews behind trees.

This was a Hadith ; I already stated how Hadiths are bizarre and defy the Quran, don't mix Quranic verses with Hadiths. They're totally totally different.

About killing people, I will make a whole topic about this -if god is willing-, to solve this dilemma..

But the conclusion : we weren't ordered to kill infedels for being infedels, we were ordered to pick arms to defend ourselves from invaders who want to kick us out of our land and kill us for believing in god.

A simple fact -check it out in wikipedia or any other source-: these verses were never read or even discussed before the mass murders against Muslims in Mecca started, which led many muslims -including mohammed peace be upon him- to flee to africa, and then to madinah.

and also then, the killing only includes armed enemy soldiers in battles ; even after battles it's forbidden to kill.
I think this what is called self defense, and nothing is extreme about it.

But Islam is not Buddhism. We are not supposed to watch our land taken and our blood spilled ; god gave us the right to defend ourselves without turning into monsters in the process.

Fidel_Castronaut

Well, I know you're humorous, but Islam doesn't put my destiny under the hands of churches and scholars.

But if you can provide extra details I'll be thankful
Only god judges me, and you too.

Blackout

Yep.

Well, the universe explains itself and why Islam is the right religion ; why the Quran is the right book.

Study your environment along with the quran, while being totally biased. That's all the advice I can give.

I can't convince you, I'm sorry. I can only give explanations about this message and show it to you.
Then it's on you.

About why not christianity or odin, it's because all these gods look human to me more than "holly".

pocaracas

Gimli is a nice a character ; I always laughed on the beef between him and the elves -especially when Legolas starts harassing him :p -.

Zues had a council of gods. That is enough to remove his credibility.
It's a different thing when it comes to the one god.

The one god that is responsible for 604 pages of the Quran, without any contradictions, his image through the book is constant.

You can read the 604 pages and you'll never be able to catch a brief clue about how god even looks like..

That's the true god to me.

[WinterHold]

JesusHChrist

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Lemonvariable72


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Cato


Did I say confidence is everything ?
Or did I say it's an important pillar in the process ?

[Lemonvariable72]

JesusHChrist

And

Lemonvariable72


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Cato


Did I say confidence is everything ?
Or did I say it's an important pillar in the process ?

Let me rephrase it like this. Confidence can often be a red flag, why? Because idiots and con artists are always confident while honest and wise people, oft including scientists, are usually full of doubt.

[LastPoet]

@OP Cool movie bro.

[WinterHold]

JesusHChrist

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Lemonvariable72


And

Cato


Did I say confidence is everything ?
Or did I say it's an important pillar in the process ?

Let me rephrase it like this. Confidence can often be a red flag, why? Because idiots and con artists are always confident while honest and wise people, oft including scientists, are usually full of doubt.

As humans you know, this is so valid.

And this confidence is in the Quran itself. The concept of "believe or not believe" it won't matter to god..

missing the whole point of my topic..

[Whateverist]

Fidel_Castronaut


It actually includes embedded exclusivism ; but Islam states it clearly that if some people are practicing good ethics, we as Muslims must be fair and be a part of that good movement.

But no, I defy the vatican in that.. even if you did good without a believe in god, you're still a person who isn't on the right track

Well tough, you don't get a say on who or what you are. The Vatican says you're a de facto catholic, so that's what you are.

Enjoy purgatory. Oh they already got rid of that all those poor children.

Also, make sure your fame doesn't exceed your local vicinity otherwise when you die the Mormons will grab you and turn your corpse into one of them. Then you'd be so mixed up not even this allah chick could figure it out.

And don't think for a moment some Mormon bastard isn't going to baptize you and your whole family whether you want it or not.

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This guy had confidence. So much for the stupid fucking confidence theory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNSsyZOPeq0

And here's that guy's chief competition.

http://youtu.be/lUyKpfbB9M8

Please excuse me if I shit all over this thread but I thought this was an interesting and needed tangent.