God's injustice towards Adam and Eve

[Ravenshire]

A crime against a being of infinite authority requires an infinite punishment.

That is quite honestly one of the most fucked up things I have ever had the misfortune of reading.

[Statler Waldorf]

Christians? Most I've met, yes.

All of your presuppositions about my worldview are borne in your mind and are most likely reflective of your overall prejudices in general. Your insistent need to wrathfully apply them to me and other Human beings whom you've never met is a sure sign of a deeply deluded mind bent on control with narcissistic tendencies that must be fed by a form of metaphysical 'justice' to make you feel superior to others.

Now you’re just perpetuating the stereotype of the hypersensitive atheist, relax. How are any of my statements concerning your view of reality inaccurate? You keep asserting that they are but you have given no reason for me to actually alter any of them. I think one of the biggest mistakes atheists make is believing that their beliefs are somehow unique and do not conform to the group’s, in my experience there is far less diversity of opinion within this group than you’ll find even amongst Christians. Perhaps you are the exception, I am more than willing to be proven wrong, but thus far you’ve just not given me anything.

That is quite honestly one of the most fucked up things I have ever had the misfortune of reading.

Sounds like you need to read more then. Is there something wrong with crimes against an infinite authority requiring an infinite punishment? Makes perfect sense to me.

[ShaMan]

How are any of my statements concerning your view of reality inaccurate?

Ummm... You've never met me.

I am more than willing to be proven wrong, but thus far you’ve just not given me anything.

I've invited you to read my past posts - you're just lazy.

[Statler Waldorf]

Ummm... You've never met me.

Indeed, but that alone does not mean any of my statements were inaccurate.

I've invited you to read my past posts - you're just lazy.

I’ve invited you to correct any inaccurate statements I’ve made…

I do not think they are actually inaccurate, and your reluctance to actually demonstrate that they are seems to support my suspicions.

[ShaMan]

I’ve invited you to correct any inaccurate statements I’ve made…

It's not my job to correct your fallacies. If I say you stole a soda, it's not your job to prove you didn't, it's my job to prove you did. Goodbye troll... IGNORE

[Ryantology]

Why would a human have a right to exist in an atheistic Universe? Does a computer have a right to exist? Does a mountain? A planet? It’s all just matter my friend. Christianity gives humans a transcendent value because only they were created in the image of their creator.

As far as you describe it, the "transcendent value" of a human is to have the same right to existence as a computer or a mountain or a planet.

Where did I say it doesn’t? Christians are the ones actually doing something about it though.

This is just an example of your god treating his objects the way he feels like. You can only be upset by it if you think he's being cruel or neglectful.

Not only is it blatantly untrue that only Christians are doing something about it, it's arguable that Christians are doing very much that's useful about it, and regardless, Africa is a hellhole in large part because of what Christians did to it for 400 years.

[Statler Waldorf]

It's not my job to correct your fallacies. If I say you stole a soda, it's not your job to prove you didn't, it's my job to prove you did. Goodbye troll... IGNORE

Thank God, at least now she’ll stop whining about how I am such a big meanie face for thinking she believed what atheists believe.

As far as you describe it, the "transcendent value" of a human is to have the same right to existence as a computer or a mountain or a planet.

No, God has commanded that we do not kill other humans; He never commanded that we should not destroy computers and mountains.

Can you answer my question? Why would a human have a right to exist in a purely material Universe? You keep asserting that they do but I see no reason for it.

This is just an example of your god treating his objects the way he feels like. You can only be upset by it if you think he's being cruel or neglectful.

No that’d only be the case if I were upset at God for it, which I am not. It upsets me because we brought such things upon ourselves and then we get mad at God for it rather than being thankful that we do not get the full extent of what we deserve.

Not only is it blatantly untrue that only Christians are doing something about it, it's arguable that Christians are doing very much that's useful about it, and regardless, Africa is a hellhole in large part because of what Christians did to it for 400 years.

Yeah nobody actually believes this for a second. The article I referenced was written by an atheist who has spent the majority of his life in Africa and he thinks people like you are delusional. Africa needs Christianity.

“Now a confirmed atheist, I've become convinced of the enormous contribution that Christian evangelism makes in Africa: sharply distinct from the work of secular NGOs, government projects and international aid efforts. “ [Emphasis added by SW]

“Christianity, post-Reformation and post-Luther, with its teaching of a direct, personal, two-way link between the individual and God, unmediated by the collective, and unsubordinate to any other human being, smashes straight through the philosphical/spiritual framework I've just described. It offers something to hold on to to those anxious to cast off a crushing tribal groupthink. That is why and how it liberates.

Those who want Africa to walk tall amid 21st-century global competition must not kid themselves that providing the material means or even the knowhow that accompanies what we call development will make the change. A whole belief system must first be supplanted.

And I'm afraid it has to be supplanted by another. Removing Christian evangelism from the African equation may leave the continent at the mercy of a malign fusion of Nike, the witch doctor, the mobile phone and the machete.”

[FatAndFaithless]

Removing Christian evangelism from the African equation may leave the continent at the mercy of a malign fusion of Nike, the witch doctor, the mobile phone and the machete.”

Because it's not like we're seeing Africa in the grips of scientific ignorance, barbarism, genocide, tyranny, disease, fear, and poverty under the influence of religious doctrine now right?

Oh wait.

[Statler Waldorf]

Because it's not like we're seeing Africa in the grips of scientific ignorance, barbarism, genocide, tyranny, disease, fear, and poverty now right?

Oh wait.

For a minute there I thought you were describing the atheistic regimes of the 20th Century. Just think how horrible Africa would be without Christianity. At least one atheist gets it, it just so happens that he actually spent most of his life there and knows what he's talking about.

[FatAndFaithless]

Because it's not like we're seeing Africa in the grips of scientific ignorance, barbarism, genocide, tyranny, disease, fear, and poverty now right?

Oh wait.

For a minute there I thought you were describing the atheistic regimes of the 20th Century. Just think how horrible Africa would be without Christianity. At least one atheist gets it, it just so happens that he actually spent most of his life there and knows what he's talking about.

Ignoring the fact that I grew up in Africa, your statement is shockingly dishonest and unshockingly despicable. How very Christian of you.