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How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
#61
RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
(July 26, 2014 at 1:16 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Is that because you grew as an individual, or because someone gave you a lobotomy? There's a difference. Despite christians claiming they are "born anew" when they accept Jesus down here, they haven't really changed all that much. They still sin. they still go through the same temptations that everyone else has.
Personally I don't want the sin. I'd like to remove it now but am unable to do so. I look forward to God releasing me from its shackles.
Quote:I may not be the same person I was ten years ago, but that's because I changed little by little over time, and I changed because I decided to.
Personally I'd say that little of my change is because I decided to change. Most of it just happens.
Quote:Not because someone else removed everything about me that they didn't like.
What if you don't like the same things they don't like? IOW, if you see a lobotomy (to use your spin) as a good thing and voluntarily accept it, have you not decided to change?
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#62
RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
I guess if you're ok with everything in the bible, then be my guest and line up to go to heaven. I feel that I'm already a better person than Yahweh, or even Jesus, despite not being perfect, so I don't care to have them "fix" me.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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#63
RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
People voluntarily take drugs or get hypnosis to try to remove parts of themselves they don't like.
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#64
RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
You can't change too much in heaven or the reward of being there isn't accruing on you anymore.

Same for Hell. If you go insane or suffer a personality change while in residence, then the person that incurred the ETERNAL TORMENT isn't getting it meted out to him anymore.

And for both heaven and hell, if you aren't you anymore, what's the point ??

(like there was regardless)
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#65
RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
So to sum up: going to heaven is like having a lobotomy and/or being on drugs.

Hmmm...
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#66
RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
In Hell, that lobotomy will be done without anesthetic and will have no effect.

Over and over and over.

Ouch.
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#67
RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
I'm tempted to say that a hell lobotomy will have no effect because a person would need their brain removed to take all that stuff seriously. But I won't.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#68
RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
(July 26, 2014 at 3:39 pm)alpha male Wrote: People voluntarily take drugs or get hypnosis to try to remove parts of themselves they don't like.

I just really don't care to become the kind of person Yahweh wants me to be.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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#69
RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
(July 26, 2014 at 5:24 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I just really don't care to become the kind of person Yahweh wants me to be.
Exactly. The premise of OP is that changing parts of one's personality is necessarily bad, but that's not so - you guys just don't want to change in certain ways.
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#70
RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
Speaking personally, I don't want to change in ways that result in my not being me anymore. The premise of the heaven scenario is more that one's personality is sterilised and made to conform to everyone else's. Short of adding jackboots, I can't imagine a more inhuman and horrific proposal, let alone why it should be flaunted as desirable.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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