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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 7, 2014 at 1:13 pm
(August 7, 2014 at 11:21 am)Rhythm Wrote: (August 7, 2014 at 11:17 am)Napoléon Wrote: I'm just trying to further understand why an intelligent, rational person like DP, would hold an irrational belief. Because we're not rational, more like "rationalizers"? Intelligence truly confers no immunity. As I understand it, we hold a whole lot of irrational beliefs. Our subconscious guides our actions and reactions to a considerable degree, and apparently it is all too easy to fill it with ridiculous ideas and notions which we nonetheless act upon. What's more, our need to make those actions fit into the person we perceive ourselves to be can lead to all kinds of rationalizations, which we accept even though they are almost certainly bullshit.
Worst part? Knowing or understanding this doesn't make us any less likely to behave this way, because so much of who we are comes from that part of the brain that is filled to the brim with insane ideas and assumptions.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 7, 2014 at 1:27 pm
(This post was last modified: August 7, 2014 at 1:29 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Bitches be crazy, eh Tonus? I have to tip the hat though, it's not always a -bad- crazy. I hold a great many positive irrational propositions to be wholly and undeniably true (I just try not to extend them beyond myself any more than someone may agree with them -try-....mind you...lol.)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 7, 2014 at 2:30 pm
(August 7, 2014 at 9:56 am)Jenny A Wrote: I don't mean to derail the thread, but when is it reasonable to give people a pass on intuitive beliefs and when isn't it? Seems more like a personal freedom issue than anything else.
My take on it is that I don't worry myself about the beliefs of others until they start getting preachy. Paladin hasn't gotten preachy so while I agree with Napoleon that Pal's belief is indeed irrational, I'm certianly not going to bug Pal about it; he's being decent and courteous and that's all I ask for from anyone in a discussion.
Put shortly, it's the old saw about religion being like a cock: keep it to yourself and don't shove it down my throat, we're cool.
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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 7, 2014 at 2:35 pm
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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 7, 2014 at 2:36 pm
Some people don't like it rough, Losty.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 7, 2014 at 2:39 pm
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(August 7, 2014 at 12:03 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Why do you apply rational reasoning to one assertion but not the other. The answer isn't apparent to me, nor can I imagine for many other actual atheists.
In a word, compartmentalization.
(August 7, 2014 at 2:35 pm)Losty Wrote: (August 7, 2014 at 2:30 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Put shortly, it's the old saw about religion being like a cock: keep it to yourself and don't shove it down my throat, we're cool.
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That is probably the worst thing anyone has ever said on this forum.
Are you kidding? It sums up my feelings perfectly.
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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 7, 2014 at 3:17 pm
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(August 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: "I'm not a troll"
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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 7, 2014 at 3:19 pm
(August 7, 2014 at 2:30 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Paladin hasn't gotten preachy so while I agree with Napoleon that Pal's belief is indeed irrational, I'm certianly not going to bug Pal about it; he's being decent and courteous and that's all I ask for from anyone in a discussion. OTOH - he's been known to annihilate illogical arguments in favor of belief - so some may have grievances.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 7, 2014 at 3:21 pm
What's with all these letters!? What is OTOH?
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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 7, 2014 at 3:22 pm
(August 7, 2014 at 3:17 pm)Losty Wrote: Yes bae, I was kidding. Though, I do think it's quite terrible to compare religion to cock. I mean, cock is like...wonderful and religion is terrible.
But mostly I was just teasing you 
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