Delusions make the human mind that more amazing

[FatAndFaithless]

For anyone who will take the time to fully read my opening post, I have edited some more information into it. Therefore, what do you think of that post now? Am I now right and no longer should be perceived as someone who is not intelligent, immature, etc.? If that's not the case, then please explain how I am wrong in my opening post.

Sorry man, combined with your last three threads (all of which were just quasi-nihilistic, vaguely-fatalistic word salads), this new one really just reminds me of child being upset with reality because it conflicts with their fantasy world. "Let me keep my delusions!"

Everyone has a vested interest in dispelling as many delusions as possible because everyone takes part in public society to some extent. And the fact that you interact in society at all makes me want to try and make sure that you hold as few bullshit beliefs and as many true beliefs as possible, if only for my sake. I don't want someone making a decision that affects others based on some crazy imaginary bullcrap.

[ManMachine]

People with either delusions of grandeur or the delusional belief in a God or afterlife should not be frowned upon because mental delusions are just one of the many amazing functions of the human mind. I'm sure many atheists admire the beauty of knowing how things scientifically work and such. Therefore, you should acknowledge the fact that anyone with a delusional belief has a beautiful scientific inner working of their minds and you should not frown upon it and convince them otherwise of their beliefs and such. I realize that atheists value the truth that there is no God and afterlife, but you should also value the fact that any attitude or delusional belief a person has is just something scientifically meant for survival. You should not try to change how things work according to science in this specific situation (which means not trying to change this person's beliefs). However, when it comes to the beliefs either causing harm to themselves or anyone else, that's when it's time to intervene. But other than that, if this person's belief just simply brings them personal pleasure in life, then it should not be frowned upon at all and should be acknowledged as an amazing function of his/her mind that makes this person that more amazing. I have delusions of grandeur and I don't have the intention of harming anyone or halting scientific progress.

Edit: There are innocent people here just living their own fantasy world not harming others or causing wars and we should just leave these people alone and never tell them the truth of reality as long as they are happy with their fantasies. We should encourage their fantasies to make them even more happy. If your attitude is that we should convince these people otherwise because the more people we have who realize the facts of reality, the more progress we have in science and such, then what if they never wanted to be that way and being that way makes them disappointed and depressed? Not to mention, some people don't even care about science and supporting it--they are just fine living their own innocent happy lives. Therefore, it's not worth it at all to tell them the truth of reality just for the possible sake of getting a more few people here and there to support science when the fact is that science is already being well supported by many people.

In the words of Apu Nahasapeemapetilon,

"How unproductive."

MM

[Mozart Link]

For anyone who will take the time to fully read my opening post, I have edited some more information into it. Therefore, what do you think of that post now? Am I now right and no longer should be perceived as someone who is not intelligent, immature, etc.? If that's not the case, then please explain how I am wrong in my opening post.

Sorry man, combined with your last three threads (all of which were just quasi-nihilistic, vaguely-fatalistic word salads), this new one really just reminds me of child being upset with reality because it conflicts with their fantasy world. "Let me keep my delusions!"

Everyone has a vested interest in dispelling as many delusions as possible because everyone takes part in public society to some extent. And the fact that you interact in society at all makes me want to try and make sure that you hold as few bullshit beliefs and as many true beliefs as possible, if only for my sake. I don't want someone making a decision that affects others based on some crazy imaginary bullcrap.

First off, you would have no way of knowing for a fact if this innocent person's delusions would ever have negative consequences because any thought and such besides delusional beliefs (even scientific knowledge) might have negative consequences since science can be used for negative consequences. Since you would have no way of knowing, you should then admire and leave innocent people alone who have delusional fantasies just like you would admire and leave people who are scientists and atheists alone. But until this innocent person somehow decides to harm themselves and others and cause negative consequences (which might never happen), the happiness of these innocent people is the only thing that matters at this moment and not what others think of them and there would be no reason at all to tell them the truth of reality or try to convince them otherwise.

[FatAndFaithless]

Sorry man, combined with your last three threads (all of which were just quasi-nihilistic, vaguely-fatalistic word salads), this new one really just reminds me of child being upset with reality because it conflicts with their fantasy world. "Let me keep my delusions!"

Everyone has a vested interest in dispelling as many delusions as possible because everyone takes part in public society to some extent. And the fact that you interact in society at all makes me want to try and make sure that you hold as few bullshit beliefs and as many true beliefs as possible, if only for my sake. I don't want someone making a decision that affects others based on some crazy imaginary bullcrap.

First off, you would have no way of knowing for a fact if this innocent person's delusions would ever have negative consequences because any thought and such besides delusional beliefs (even scientific knowledge) might have negative consequences since science can be used for negative consequences. Since you would have no way of knowing, you should then admire and leave innocent people alone who have delusional fantasies just like you would admire and leave people who are scientists and atheists alone. But until this innocent person somehow decides to harm themselves and others and cause negative consequences (which might never happen), the happiness of these innocent people is the only thing that matters at this moment and not what others think of them and there would be no reason at all to tell them the truth of reality or try to convince them otherwise.

Nope, sorry dude, you don't get to equate people with identifiable delusions with scientists. And I'd like to live in a society that conducts itself and makes decisions using methods that are as close to realtiy as possible (since that's where we are). If someone has a delusion that informs their decision-making, and I would argue that most of our beliefs inform out actions in some way, I'm not going to wait until they do harm to themselves or someone else to speak up.

[Mozart Link]

First off, you would have no way of knowing for a fact if this innocent person's delusions would ever have negative consequences because any thought and such besides delusional beliefs (even scientific knowledge) might have negative consequences since science can be used for negative consequences. Since you would have no way of knowing, you should then admire and leave innocent people alone who have delusional fantasies just like you would admire and leave people who are scientists and atheists alone. But until this innocent person somehow decides to harm themselves and others and cause negative consequences (which might never happen), the happiness of these innocent people is the only thing that matters at this moment and not what others think of them and there would be no reason at all to tell them the truth of reality or try to convince them otherwise.

Nope, sorry dude, you don't get to equate people with identifiable delusions with scientists. And I'd like to live in a society that conducts itself and makes decisions using methods that are as close to realtiy as possible (since that's where we are). If someone has a delusion that informs their decision-making, and I would argue that most of our beliefs inform out actions in some way, I'm not going to wait until they do harm to themselves or someone else to speak up.

Explain how an innocent caring person would end up having negative consequences by having his/her delusions if the delusion is something without morals? I know that even innocent people with delusional beliefs in a God with the morals along with it would do something such as sacrifice others because they thought it was the right thing for God. But if you take away the morals and just have the delusional fantasy alone by itself, I do not see how there would be any negative consequences from it. For example, how would the delusional belief of there being heaven by itself without any morals have negative consequences if this belief is something that just brings this innocent person personal pleasure in life?

[FatAndFaithless]

Nope, sorry dude, you don't get to equate people with identifiable delusions with scientists. And I'd like to live in a society that conducts itself and makes decisions using methods that are as close to realtiy as possible (since that's where we are). If someone has a delusion that informs their decision-making, and I would argue that most of our beliefs inform out actions in some way, I'm not going to wait until they do harm to themselves or someone else to speak up.

Explain how an innocent caring person would end up having negative consequences by having his/her delusions if the delusion is something without morals? I know that even innocent people with delusional beliefs in a God with the morals along with it would do something such as sacrifice others because they thought it was the right thing for God. But if you take away the morals and just have the delusional fantasy alone by itself, I do not see how there would be any negative consequences from it. For example, how would the delusional belief of there being heaven by itself without any morals have negative consequences if this belief is something that just brings this innocent person personal pleasure in life?

Because beliefs don't exist in a vacuum. Beliefs inform your actions, they can affect other beliefs, and can affect how likely you are to change your beliefs. And again, as a member of a community who is affected by the actions of others, I'd like to be as sure as possible that the community in which I am taking part is based on reality, and not some fantasy.

[Mozart Link]

Explain how an innocent caring person would end up having negative consequences by having his/her delusions if the delusion is something without morals? I know that even innocent people with delusional beliefs in a God with the morals along with it would do something such as sacrifice others because they thought it was the right thing for God. But if you take away the morals and just have the delusional fantasy alone by itself, I do not see how there would be any negative consequences from it. For example, how would the delusional belief of there being heaven by itself without any morals have negative consequences if this belief is something that just brings this innocent person personal pleasure in life?

Because beliefs don't exist in a vacuum. Beliefs inform your actions, they can affect other beliefs, and can affect how likely you are to change your beliefs. And again, as a member of a community who is affected by the actions of others, I'd like to be as sure as possible that the community in which I am taking part is based on reality, and not some fantasy.

Some cases there are negative consequences, but in some cases beliefs do exist in a vacuum. For example, I am someone who likes to play videogames and if I had the delusional belief that, when I see the fantasy world on my t.v. screen from playing a videogame and conclude that this must be some other dimension and this is something that just brings me personal pleasure, how would that cause negative consequences?

[FatAndFaithless]

Because beliefs don't exist in a vacuum. Beliefs inform your actions, they can affect other beliefs, and can affect how likely you are to change your beliefs. And again, as a member of a community who is affected by the actions of others, I'd like to be as sure as possible that the community in which I am taking part is based on reality, and not some fantasy.

Some cases there are negative consequences, but in some cases beliefs do exist in a vacuum. For example, I am someone who likes to play videogames and if I had the delusional belief that, when I see the fantasy world on my t.v. screen from playing a videogame and conclude that this must be some other dimension and this is something that just brings me personal pleasure, how would that cause negative consequences?

You don't get to say 'beliefs do exist in a vacuum' and then give an example of one specific belief at one specific time. You're creating the vacuum in your example, without considering how that delusion might affect your other beliefs or your actions. I don't know what's got you into this 'just let me have my fantasy' state of mind, but jesus, wake up to the real world man.

[Mozart Link]

Some cases there are negative consequences, but in some cases beliefs do exist in a vacuum. For example, I am someone who likes to play videogames and if I had the delusional belief that, when I see the fantasy world on my t.v. screen from playing a videogame and conclude that this must be some other dimension and this is something that just brings me personal pleasure, how would that cause negative consequences?

You don't get to say 'beliefs do exist in a vacuum' and then give an example of one specific belief at one specific time. You're creating the vacuum in your example, without considering how that delusion might affect your other beliefs or your actions. I don't know what's got you into this 'just let me have my fantasy' state of mind, but jesus, wake up to the real world man.

That mindset is very important to me because I use that in composing music that has beautiful fantasy-like emotion to it and such and I do not want anything in reality to interfere with it. Although there are people who do use inspiration from reality and use that to compose music, I am not this type of person at all. I can use my inspiration from fantasy to achieve greatness and success in life just as good (if not better) than those people who do with inspiration from reality. Therefore, this right here says that my personal delusional fantasies will not have negative consequences for me. Instead, it is the exact opposite and I will be a successful composer in life because of it.

[FatAndFaithless]

You don't get to say 'beliefs do exist in a vacuum' and then give an example of one specific belief at one specific time. You're creating the vacuum in your example, without considering how that delusion might affect your other beliefs or your actions. I don't know what's got you into this 'just let me have my fantasy' state of mind, but jesus, wake up to the real world man.

That mindset is very important to me because I use that in composing music that has beautiful fantasy-like emotion to it and such and I do not want anything in reality to interfere with it. Although there are people who do use inspiration from reality and use that to compose music, I am not this type of person at all. I can use my inspiration from fantasy to achieve greatness and success in life just as good (if not better) than those people who do with inspiration from reality. Therefore, this right here says that my personal delusional fantasies will not have negative consequences for me. Instead, it is the exact opposite and I will be a successful composer in life because of it.

You're aware that it's fantasy and not reality. That's not a delusion, dude. I thought we were talking about beliefs not just imagination.