What do you say to say to a Drunk interested?

[Goosebump]

My advice would be to swiftly switch it to patriotism by saying "Fortunately in this country I can have whatever belief I want about god!" Then deflect his attempts to continue the belief path with patriotism talk. The thing about patriotism,
It's hard to have a long conversation about it.

I suppose my only concern is if the patriotism turned into gun rights and political issues, which could get messy very quickly. "If your a patriot then you must feel this way about so and so... Only true Pats know that!".

[Brakeman]

My advice would be to swiftly switch it to patriotism by saying "Fortunately in this country I can have whatever belief I want about god!" Then deflect his attempts to continue the belief path with patriotism talk. The thing about patriotism,
It's hard to have a long conversation about it.

I suppose my only concern is if the patriotism turned into gun rights and political issues, which could get messy very quickly. "If your a patriot then you must feel this way about so and so... Only true Pats know that!".

Yeah but you can diffuse that if you want by saying that individual issues don't matter as long as the people get their voice. Vote on it.

[jesus_wept]

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I don't think there is a way round this, (speaking as someone who has drank too much on far too many occasions) drunk people can be completely irrational (I feel like I'm starting the obvious here) so there is no easy way out and possibly nothing you can say.

My advice, don't argue with drunk people or learn self defence if you want to argue with them.

I admire your honesty and hail it! The drunk is irrational, my notion is what is the difference with the drunk and the believer? both are irrational but one may become violent? Only one?

I think both could be and don't think I'd need evidence to back that thought.

So how do you talk to one without incurring violence? My endeavor was to peruse the argument under a guise. But I should have know for I am not clever. So my foolishness has been found-out and all I hoped for is for nothing.

I do thank you for visiting this post. I'm sorry if you felt I deceived you. I apologies.

There's no need to apologise. I dont feel deceived.

As you say I think both can become violent too, but I'd add that the only real difference is that the drunk might feel sorry for what they've done in the morning and try to make amends.

I honestly dont know how to answer your question. I tend not to think much before opening my mouth in these situations, which has got me into trouble countless times in the past, so I could probably do with some advice myself.

You could always try the Bill Hicks approach. But I cant guarantee this wont end up with a smack in the mouth either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTX5dTCCOj4

[Cato]

But regardless and impasse is reached? As in in the drunk or not the two arguers are left walking away?

If so that's my problem with the approach... nothing is solved.

Get used to it. People disagree on any number of topics all the time.

[Zack]

As a person that has worked in a bar and lives next door to a very alcoholic, very Pentecostal neighbor (has the New Testament memorized), I have experienced this shit all the time. Let me start by saying if a stranger is bothering you that much, the staff are doing a poor job. You should tell the bartender, doorman, bar back, whomever. Especially if you are a regular. It's better to kick out a drunk that is annoying people than lose a good paying regular customer. This person is probably annoying other people too.
If that doesn't work then pick out some details (sports clothing, band clothing, maybe a piece of jewelry ) and change the subject to HIS/HER interest. Manipulating drunk people is not hard at all. You can always deflect to a third person (preferably a stranger) to make him/her lose interest in you: "Look at third person's so and so." My favorite is to indulge, all the while, plying them with more drink: "Here ya go friendo. How bout some shots?!" That's usually enough for them to make such an ass out of themselves (tripping, falling, passing out etc), the staff have no choice but to kick them.

[Goosebump]

But regardless and impasse is reached? As in in the drunk or not the two arguers are left walking away?

If so that's my problem with the approach... nothing is solved.

Get used to it. People disagree on any number of topics all the time.

Fair enough, but perhaps if each could leave with a respect for one another something meaningful could be achieved for the exchange.

I find the whole idea of human interaction (in the flesh) to be completely counter intuitive. We are "social creatures" but you'd be hard pressed to assert that in a bar with one of each college frat on campus.

We build barriers, cliches, specializations to fit into. I'm interested in Atheism (not from a belief or reasoning stand point) from a sociological interest because it seems the default the least categorizing.

But I digress, better men then me have tried and failed. The reasonable departure seems to hard to synthesize even in this modern world and on this wise and brilliant board. I suppose it's a creature of spontaneity. luck and good fortune.

- Devs - You can close this thread I think I've been answered.

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As a person that has worked in a bar and lives next door to a very alcoholic, very Pentecostal neighbor (has the New Testament memorized), I have experienced this shit all the time. Let me start by saying if a stranger is bothering you that much, the staff are doing a poor job. You should tell the bartender, doorman, bar back, whomever. Especially if you are a regular. It's better to kick out a drunk that is annoying people than lose a good paying regular customer. This person is probably annoying other people too.
If that doesn't work then pick out some details (sports clothing, band clothing, maybe a piece of jewelry ) and change the subject to HIS/HER interest. Manipulating drunk people is not hard at all. You can always deflect to a third person (preferably a stranger) to make him/her lose interest in you: "Look at third person's so and so." My favorite is to indulge, all the while, plying them with more drink: "Here ya go friendo. How bout some shots?!" That's usually enough for them to make such an ass out of themselves (tripping, falling, passing out etc), the staff have no choice but to kick them.

That seems very cruel to me, I could not imagine myself doing so. I do understand that your position is very different then mine and accept that if you felt the treatment justified at the time, then it was to you as you where there, and I was not, and do not know what you do of the situation.

Kinda sucks though that it's come to that. But each man has to make his own choices based on what he has at hand I suppose.

[Zack]

You shouldn't feel obligated to indulge the attentions of drunks. Might I also suggest going to a different bar. Stay away from the college/frat bars that have ambos and squad cars on station Friday and Saturday nights. I don't frequent places full of hundreds of 21-24 year olds looking to get in a fight, get laid or both. You are kind of putting yourself in that situation. Ignore them and get someone from the staff if they continue to bother. It is still a business and you are a customer. I can't think of one place in the college town (Indiana University is one of the biggest party schools in the country) I live by that would tolerate that behavior if someone spoke up.

[Cato]

Fair enough, but perhaps if each could leave with a respect for one another something meaningful could be achieved for the exchange.

What are you asking to be respected here? I respect everyone's right to believe as they wish, but this doesn't immediately translate to respect for the belief.

[Losty]

Why do you like hanging out with pretty girls in places where drunk people harass you about religion? I think that may be the better question.

[ShaMan]

I'd position myself between my lady and the drunk if I weren't already so positioned, take her hand and walk away.