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RE: Why the stigma with Pantheism?
August 25, 2014 at 1:22 am
(August 25, 2014 at 1:18 am)stonedape Wrote: (August 25, 2014 at 1:14 am)Rhythm Wrote: Mostly your wording. No star died -so- I could exist. How is that relevant?
Because you're getting dangerously close to anthropomorphizing physical phenomena. That's where the woo starts setting in. 
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RE: Why the stigma with Pantheism?
August 25, 2014 at 1:23 am
(August 25, 2014 at 1:11 am)stonedape Wrote: (August 25, 2014 at 12:58 am)psychoslice Wrote: No not the source, but the Source. I fucking called it! The Source listens to rap.
Just testing lol.
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RE: Why the stigma with Pantheism?
August 25, 2014 at 1:26 am
(August 25, 2014 at 1:18 am)Chuck Wrote: The problem lies with the word "so". A star died because it died. Not so that you can live. You live because condition existed for you to live. Not because a star sacrificed itself to make the condition exist. Since you insist on making literalist arguments. I'm going to have to make metaphoric arguments.
We exist, so a calculator can live. We really don't give a shit about the calculator. But I'm sure it means everything to the calculator.
god is supposed to be imaginary
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RE: Why the stigma with Pantheism?
August 25, 2014 at 1:29 am
(August 24, 2014 at 10:57 pm)psychoslice Wrote: (August 24, 2014 at 10:45 pm)rasetsu Wrote: I could see panentheism before pantheism. The universe is God — what does that even mean?
It means there is something so big that we will never know it completely, its to be humble towards it all, its a mystery that our puny minds will never know of.
I'm quite content to say "I don't know" without piling all the b.s. into one big pile.
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RE: Why the stigma with Pantheism?
August 25, 2014 at 1:50 am
(August 25, 2014 at 1:29 am)Minimalist Wrote: (August 24, 2014 at 10:57 pm)psychoslice Wrote: It means there is something so big that we will never know it completely, its to be humble towards it all, its a mystery that our puny minds will never know of.
I'm quite content to say "I don't know" without piling all the b.s. into one big pile.
Yes that's what I'm saying, we just don't know, and hence the humbleness.
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RE: Why the stigma with Pantheism?
August 25, 2014 at 4:33 am
If people want to feel a sense of wonder and awe at the majesty and immenseness of the cosmos, then they will.
Its an exercise in mental masturbation. Self-gratification.
Doesn't change the cold facts of life. We live, we die, end of story.
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RE: Why the stigma with Pantheism?
August 25, 2014 at 8:25 am
(August 24, 2014 at 10:24 pm)stonedape Wrote: (August 24, 2014 at 10:00 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Too much woo. You see. It's a stigma for the sake of stigma. There is no pseudo-science involved.
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I thought that was more about stealing land than killing people that didn't convert to Judaism.
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RE: Why the stigma with Pantheism?
August 25, 2014 at 8:32 am
(August 24, 2014 at 9:49 pm)stonedape Wrote: Dawkins calls it sexed up atheism like it's a bad thing.
Don't look to Dawkins as an authority on philosophy. He apparently didn't research either pantheism or deism beyond cracking open a dictionary, glancing at the definition and writing down his reaction.
That man should stick to speaking about evolution and not venture much outside that boundary.
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RE: Why the stigma with Pantheism?
August 25, 2014 at 8:43 am
(August 25, 2014 at 8:32 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: (August 24, 2014 at 9:49 pm)stonedape Wrote: Dawkins calls it sexed up atheism like it's a bad thing.
Don't look to Dawkins as an authority on philosophy. He apparently didn't research either pantheism or deism beyond cracking open a dictionary, glancing at the definition and writing down his reaction.
That man should stick to speaking about evolution and not venture much outside that boundary.
As much as I am not a pantheist, I will agree that he didn't get the definitions of deism and pantheism right.
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RE: Why the stigma with Pantheism?
August 25, 2014 at 9:17 am
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(August 24, 2014 at 9:49 pm)stonedape Wrote: Why the stigma with pantheism
StonedApe,
I would just say "don't worry about what others think". Whatever you think someone will hold it against you, and even if nobody did, is that really a good reason for believing something? Pursue truth wherever it takes you, and try not to worry about the insults from those who disagree, and equally don't pay too much head of the cheers from those who do agree with you (they are not cheering you, they are only cheering that you agree with them). And I say that whether your journey takes you into atheism, pantheism or more classical theism. Be afraid not of stigma, and be swayed not by praise.
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