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RE: That Day will come as a trap on all the world
September 14, 2014 at 3:03 pm
(September 14, 2014 at 2:25 pm)ShaMan Wrote: (September 14, 2014 at 2:18 pm)Jenny A Wrote: The day being equivalent to a thousand years is absurd.
What apologists will say with a straight face never ceases to amaze me. But... But... BUT!!!
The fallback manual says so...
Quote:2 Peter 3:8
"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."
Perhaps for a masochist.
Yeah I know. But Second Peter itself is a very early apologetic for the failure of the second coming. These failures and apologetics have been going on a while haven't they?
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RE: That Day will come as a trap on all the world
September 14, 2014 at 3:22 pm
(September 14, 2014 at 11:06 am)professor Wrote: Keri,
The Jews intentionally left out over 200 years from their calendar.
I can't prove it, but when the time prophesied for the Messiah passed and they, having rejected the real one, needed to fudge the calendar by omitting years BC. The omission was intentional. I cannot prove the motivation.
Emphasis mine. It's all I needed to hear.
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RE: That Day will come as a trap on all the world
September 14, 2014 at 3:29 pm
(September 14, 2014 at 2:18 pm)Jenny A Wrote: The day being equivalent to a thousand years is absurd. Especially since god is supposed to be eternal, or timeless. Not only is one thousand years the same as a day to god, so is one million. Or one trillion. Or one trillion trillion trillion.
So the rapture might happen on September 25th, or it might happen on September 26th... in the year 2,000,000,000,014.
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RE: That Day will come as a trap on all the world
September 14, 2014 at 6:15 pm
(September 14, 2014 at 11:06 am)professor Wrote: Good questions ( I like it).
Jenny,
Jesus told his disciples- some standing there would see the kingdom of God.
That was a prophecy of His transfiguring on the Mount with Moses and Elijah- Peter and John were the two who saw it.
etc . . . . . . . All the points you're attempting to make hinge on a fundamentaly week foundation, the belief that scripture is the word of God and the even more absurd belief that the Bible hasn't been authored by, mistranslated, distorted and heavily edited over the centuries by our species.
A good place to start learning about all this would be to read Bishop John Shelby Spong's 'The Sins of Scripture' or if you're really brave Douglas Lockhart's 'The Dark Side of God: A Quest for the Lost Heart of Christianity'.
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RE: That Day will come as a trap on all the world
September 14, 2014 at 8:10 pm
Hi Chuck,
if I am still here on the 27th, I will say I was wrong.
I will be sending a donation to AF, I will tell you all I am an ass and say by by.
It won't be the first time I was wrong about something.
The reason for my OP was a huge convergence of indicators pointing to Rosh Hashanah.
Besides, one of you provoked me into it. I am not making any excuse therein, but it helped light the fire.
Oh, I should mention, nearly no one in Christendom is looking for the Departure.
Just a few of us far out in the fringe.
Several leaders of evangelicals just went to hi-five and jive with the False Prophet in the Vatican ( blind and deceived).
The people attending the Mega Churches are not told anything.
Neither do those in the old-line denominations see anything.
The Conservatives who are Christians can only see politics.
They all have been sidetracked by the prince of this world.
Having answered my question of "What am I doing here" long ago, my quest to know where we are in time is a sub-section of "Where am I going?"
I have done a lot of seeking and have done some finding.
I get about the same reception from some of the Christians I know, (when I tell them what is going on) as I get here, except they are more civil.
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RE: That Day will come as a trap on all the world
September 14, 2014 at 8:41 pm
(September 14, 2014 at 8:10 pm)professor Wrote: I will tell you all I am an ass and say by by. Please don't leave just because you made an errant prediction. Sincerely.
Quote:It won't be the first time I was wrong about something.
And it won't be the last. Welcome to the Human race. Stick around.
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RE: That Day will come as a trap on all the world
September 14, 2014 at 8:45 pm
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You won't have to tell us you were wrong...we'll notice...what with not getting gang raped by jotun or some-such. I'm rooting for you though.
They have impetus to be more civil. The absurdity of your position exposes the absurdity of their own.
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RE: That Day will come as a trap on all the world
September 14, 2014 at 8:48 pm
(This post was last modified: September 14, 2014 at 8:49 pm by ShaMan.)
(September 14, 2014 at 8:10 pm)professor Wrote: I get about the same reception from some of the Christians I know, (when I tell them what is going on) as I get here, except they are more civil.
(September 14, 2014 at 8:45 pm)Rhythm Wrote: They have impetus to be more civil. The absurdity of your position exposes the absurdity of their own.
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RE: That Day will come as a trap on all the world
September 14, 2014 at 8:51 pm
Thanks guys, it is appreciated!
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RE: That Day will come as a trap on all the world
September 14, 2014 at 9:38 pm
(September 14, 2014 at 8:51 pm)professor Wrote: Thanks guys, it is appreciated!
You are very welcome for us having placed no stock in your delusion.
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