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Doctor Who season eight
#61
RE: Doctor Who season eight
(November 2, 2014 at 2:27 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Regarding the Cybermen... why is it that they need the skeletons, again? Why take the useless part of the body and use that exclusively? Why not just build them robotic and upload the consciousness there? It's not like there's anything particularly unique about human skeletons that they need.

The methods the cybermen use to convert humans seems to vary. The first time we see them in the reeboot in that parallel universe, I think they just took the brain out and put it inside the suit.

And then in that torchwood episode with the half converted cyberwoman, they said that the cybermen started converting entire bodies in the doomsday episode because it was quicker when they were fighting the daleks.

Basically, the way they convert humans depends on the storyline and what makes sense.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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#62
RE: Doctor Who season eight
(November 2, 2014 at 2:27 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Regarding the Cybermen... why is it that they need the skeletons, again? Why take the useless part of the body and use that exclusively? Why not just build them robotic and upload the consciousness there? It's not like there's anything particularly unique about human skeletons that they need.
Yep that's exactly what I was thinking. They only need the brain, the vital organs, and some muscles they don't need the skeleton at all! And yet we don't see any of these organs!!

WARNING: Spoilers
(November 2, 2014 at 2:27 pm)Esquilax Wrote: When they revealed who Missy was, I completely bought out of the episode. It could have been so many things, any number of Time Lords/Ladies, and yet they decided to bring back the most boring one. That's not a slight on the classic Masters, just the John Simm one and where we left off with him. There really wasn't anywhere else to take that, and I just know we're not going to get any explanation about what happened to him after last time.
I also have to agree here as well. I was hoping Missy's character would be more interesting - since we only saw her collecting peopled the Doctor failed to save, but then it turns out that actually that was purely incidental to her motives. Also, I had an inkling weeks ago that it would be some form of computer program back when I wrote this:

Whether they are actually saved by Missy or whether they're just computer programs (as in the "echoes" in Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead) and whether she is or is related to River is yet to be seen, however I have a very strong feeling that Clara will "die" and be collected by Missy at the end of the season. I have a strong feeling the story arc will be dismally disappointing, Clara's already died enough times as it!

And as we can see it is just a computer program; although I liked the possibility of saving people the Doctor didn't and where that story could have gone. I didn't seriously think she would be River because I think her character's done now, but it would have been nice if she was going along saving people the Doctor left behind for dead!

The "don't cremate me" nonsense was so poorly done! Yes, that line does explain how the institutes got set up - by convincing investors that the dead needed to be put into nice cosy crypts instead of being burned or buried - but seriously at least make the scene better!! I did however like how Missy read W3's mission statement or company slogan or whatever you want to call it - that was well written.

Also, I don't buy how there's so much space in these open walk-in crypts set up by W3. As if you don't have corridors with the crypts facing each other! And as if they need to be so wide - to utilise space better they'd be much more narrow, but people will still be able to see their deceased relatives. Also, why is there no flowers and nowhere for the family members to put the flowers? Normally in crypts there are concrete vases etc to hold the flowers, there's none of that in this episode - again the attention to detail is lacking.
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK


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#63
RE: Doctor Who season eight
Missy-Mistress-Master!

Really? FFS

MM
"The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions" - Leonardo da Vinci

"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
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#64
RE: Doctor Who season eight
I've not seen it yet, but the spoilers haven't really spoiled very much anyway. How disappointing. A perfect opportunity to resurrect the Rani wasted.

Unless there's a deeper double bluff thing going on. Which, this being lowest common denominator television, there probably isn't.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#65
RE: Doctor Who season eight
I like the old guy.
The latest face like a doll has started to bother me.
I love him, I love him I've known him three weeks.
I don't care if all falls, I just want to see him again.
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#66
RE: Doctor Who season eight
To be honest I hope the BBC cancels season 9 for next year and only comes back to it when a new and fresh team is ready to take the show in a better direction.

You know what else makes absolutely no sense in the context of the episode? Missy saying to Doctor Who and Clara "hello how may I assist you with your death".
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK

The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK


"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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#67
RE: Doctor Who season eight
Now I've seen it, with the foreknowledge of the spoilers, I could appreciate more of what was going on. That line actually struck me as something the Master might say, given that s/he was in disguise and baiting the Doctor at that point. So it gets a pass from me. The Cybermen were a bit more troublesome though. I didn't mind the whole skeleton thing, if we assume that these are newly 'upgraded' from the recently deceased and sort of retooled for the purpose. I know it doesn't make sense in the context of their redesign, which is a continuity error of sorts, but I could see how it fitted in with the Hallowe'en broadcast slot if that's what they were going for. I just want to know how they were able to manufacture a Cyber army right in the middle of London. Maybe it all happened somewhere else and they were transported there? Did the Mistress née Master get his TARDIS back and use that? How did he manage to escape from Gallifrey anyway, and does his new appearance have anything to do with it?

One thing that struck me was that if only organic matter is visible in this dark water, does that mean the the Cybermen's chairs were also organic? Why were their skeletal arses so obviously in ciontact with them, given they were encased in Cyberarmour?

I was intrigued by the whole Danny Pink storyline and I'm actually looking forward to seeing how it all ties together. That little boy is probably the key.

I hope they don't pull an RTD and throw everything out of the window in the final instalment, Dick Barton-style (and with one bound he was free!). For example, Danny downloads himself into a Cyberman and uses his soldier skills to destroy all the bad guys, while the Doctor (or more likely Clara) waggles the Sonic Screwdriver at Missy and Magic Happens. If so, I'll probably put my TARDIS through the telly and send UNIT the bill (thanks, Viz).
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#68
RE: Doctor Who season eight
The chairs they were sitting on were made of wood.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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#69
RE: Doctor Who season eight
(November 5, 2014 at 8:40 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: The chairs they were sitting on were made of wood.
Ah yes, but Dr. Cheng puts his arm in and his suit and shirt are not visible?
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK

The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK


"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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#70
RE: Doctor Who season eight
(November 4, 2014 at 10:57 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Now I've seen it, with the foreknowledge of the spoilers, I could appreciate more of what was going on. That line actually struck me as something the Master might say, given that s/he was in disguise and baiting the Doctor at that point. So it gets a pass from me. The Cybermen were a bit more troublesome though. I didn't mind the whole skeleton thing, if we assume that these are newly 'upgraded' from the recently deceased and sort of retooled for the purpose. I know it doesn't make sense in the context of their redesign, which is a continuity error of sorts, but I could see how it fitted in with the Hallowe'en broadcast slot if that's what they were going for. I just want to know how they were able to manufacture a Cyber army right in the middle of London. Maybe it all happened somewhere else and they were transported there? Did the Mistress née Master get his TARDIS back and use that? How did he manage to escape from Gallifrey anyway, and does his new appearance have anything to do with it?

One thing that struck me was that if only organic matter is visible in this dark water, does that mean the the Cybermen's chairs were also organic? Why were their skeletal arses so obviously in ciontact with them, given they were encased in Cyberarmour?

I was intrigued by the whole Danny Pink storyline and I'm actually looking forward to seeing how it all ties together. That little boy is probably the key.

I hope they don't pull an RTD and throw everything out of the window in the final instalment, Dick Barton-style (and with one bound he was free!). For example, Danny downloads himself into a Cyberman and uses his soldier skills to destroy all the bad guys, while the Doctor (or more likely Clara) waggles the Sonic Screwdriver at Missy and Magic Happens. If so, I'll probably put my TARDIS through the telly and send UNIT the bill (thanks, Viz).

I'm becoming more and more despondent as time passes.

Firstly, they over-hype David Tenant who is at best a lightweight actor with a leaning for comedy (his Hamlet came across as desperately inadequate up against Patrick Stewart), but he got great scripts.

Then they hire Matt Smith, who was one of the best actors I've seen in the role, and give him poor scripts that got worse and worse as the series progressed.

Now we have another mediocre comedy lightweight and to add insult to injury, with poor scripts, it simply can't get any worse unless they change Clara for Cheryl 'face-like-a-smacked-arse' Tweedy/Cole/Tweedy.

Uuuuugh!

MM
"The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions" - Leonardo da Vinci

"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
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