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RE: Darwin Proven Wrong?
September 12, 2014 at 1:36 pm
(September 11, 2014 at 2:37 pm)sswhateverlove Wrote: (September 11, 2014 at 2:20 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: Sorry for the double post, but I'd like a reply from sswhateverlove sometime this week.
Methylation can reduce the expression of a mutated gene by up to 70% and is environmentally influenced. You do not think this is an important variable to consider with regard to how influential natural selection based on gene mutation has been?
(September 11, 2014 at 2:33 pm)TaraJo Wrote: You still don't understand epigenetics.
Epigenetics can determine whether you get fat or not. So, why is it that nobody, regardless of their epigenetic status, has their fat collect as a big hump on their back like camels do? Because no matter how much we alter epigenetics, we still don't have the genetics to get the fat hump on our backs. No amount of genetic markers will change a gene that we don't have in the first place.
As for my source, that would be basic college level biology text books. Do you really need me to look it up online and post a link?
As far as know, scientists have also not been able to change one species into another by mutating any particular genes, but if you have a source that conflicts I would like to see it. I find this interesting, especially when there are many species that share so many of our genes that they should be so similar, but they are not. The most significant factor that seems to be diverse amongst different species (and even within same species) is methylation/histone protein status that is "epigenomic", not "genetic".
http://www.wired.com/2012/01/evolution-o...llularity/ sorry but evolution has been directly observed
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RE: Darwin Proven Wrong?
September 12, 2014 at 1:54 pm
@Stimbo
I still don't understand what the statement "geocentric" universe means. I'm serious, what do they argue?
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RE: Darwin Proven Wrong?
September 12, 2014 at 2:00 pm
Geocentric means Earth being fixed at the centre of the Universe and thus everything revolving around us. There are masses of inconsistencies with the observable evidence requiring lots of fudge factors and handwaving, which a heliocentric (Sun-centred) Universe explains with beautiful economy.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Darwin Proven Wrong?
September 12, 2014 at 2:10 pm
(September 12, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Geocentric means Earth being fixed at the centre of the Universe and thus everything revolving around us. There are masses of inconsistencies with the observable evidence requiring lots of fudge factors and handwaving, which a heliocentric (Sun-centred) Universe explains with beautiful economy.
What does fixed at the centre mean. What does revolving around us mean?
I'm not trying to annoy you, I just don't think it's that obvious...
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RE: Darwin Proven Wrong?
September 12, 2014 at 2:16 pm
(September 12, 2014 at 5:23 am)sswhateverlove Wrote: (September 12, 2014 at 5:14 am)LostLocke Wrote: Oy vey...
They are not variables.
And you're confident of this why?
With what has been observed in quantum physics and epigentics regarding the potential of things in the environment to influence results, it seems like it would be negligent to rule out "dark matter" and "The Force" as possible variables.
They're not ruled out, they're just not variables. They're constant.
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RE: Darwin Proven Wrong?
September 12, 2014 at 2:20 pm
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(September 12, 2014 at 2:10 pm)Alex K Wrote: (September 12, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Geocentric means Earth being fixed at the centre of the Universe and thus everything revolving around us. There are masses of inconsistencies with the observable evidence requiring lots of fudge factors and handwaving, which a heliocentric (Sun-centred) Universe explains with beautiful economy.
What does fixed at the centre mean. What does revolving around us mean?
I'm not trying to annoy you, I just don't think it's that obvious...
My understanding, if space is imagined to be infinite, is that every person is at their own "center of the Universe." As far as a geocentric model goes, I always took it to mean that the earth is the center of the solar system, as in the Sun and the planets revolve around us.
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RE: Darwin Proven Wrong?
September 12, 2014 at 2:20 pm
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(September 12, 2014 at 10:02 am)sswhateverlove Wrote: (September 12, 2014 at 8:02 am)Tonus Wrote: "A force." Not "The Force." You seem strangely hung up on this need to give a name and identity (and even additional properties!) to something that is still not fully understood. Are you aware that you are doing this?
I was trying to be funny.
(September 12, 2014 at 8:14 am)Alex K Wrote: Yes, that Tonus says. You tend to give words more magical meaning beyond what scientists actually mean by them, and then voice your doubts about what the scientists allegedly claim about nature.
Your approach involves quite a bit tubular cellulose leftovers from the last harvest.
Spent 3 hours watching Tyson's doc "The Inexplicable Universe" before coming on here. We should probably blame him for my doubts as he insists over and over that scientists know very little about the "truth" of reality with regard to the specific topics I posted about.
BTW, he proposed that "dark matter" should be called "Fred" and "dark energy" should be called "Wilma" or "Barney".
The takeaway message is supposed to be how much we have to learn and how exciting it will be to learn it, not 'current knowledge is unsound'.
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RE: Darwin Proven Wrong?
September 12, 2014 at 2:22 pm
(September 12, 2014 at 2:10 pm)Alex K Wrote: (September 12, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Geocentric means Earth being fixed at the centre of the Universe and thus everything revolving around us. There are masses of inconsistencies with the observable evidence requiring lots of fudge factors and handwaving, which a heliocentric (Sun-centred) Universe explains with beautiful economy.
What does fixed at the centre mean. What does revolving around us mean?
I'm not trying to annoy you, I just don't think it's that obvious...
It means a frame of reference pinned to the center of the earth behaves as an inertial frame of reference. Prior to relativity it was obvious economic and accurate description of behavior of solar system is difficult to reconcile with this. Relativity says there is no such thing as inertial reference, period.
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RE: Darwin Proven Wrong?
September 12, 2014 at 2:39 pm
Put simply, it's the illusion of a stationary Earth caused by observing the night sky. Stars and planets do indeed appear to rotate around us due, of course, to the Earth's own rotation.
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RE: Darwin Proven Wrong?
September 12, 2014 at 2:40 pm
So was Darwin ever proven wrong in this thread?
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