God vs Big Bang- Are either correct?

[ShaMan]

You're not here to learn. Obviously.

You're not here to debate, obviously.

Not with you, no.

[sswhateverlove]

If now we are to assume...

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You're the only one making assumptions.

Scientists make assumptions. I'm here to discuss them. Are you not paying attention?

[ShaMan]

Are you not paying attention?

[FatAndFaithless]

Your willful ignorance won't help you last here, especially if you're whining about how "nobody wants to have an intelligent conversation".

You come in here talking about how well versed and educated you are in these fields, and then fail to even get the definition of the Big Bang right. Either you're lying, or you've got degrees from Liberty University.

[JesusHChrist]

You come in here talking about how well versed and educated you are in these fields, and then fail to even get the definition of the Big Bang right. Either you're lying, or you've got degrees from Liberty University.

Bingo!

[Surgenator]

Ok, so in order to be confident in anything that science reveals, we need to try to control for all the possible variables? Correct?

No. I don't need to know anything about the strong nuclear force or electromagnetic radiation to know that adding heat to liquid water will make it boil. A construction worker doesn't need to know the world is spherical to build a road.

As my examples demonstrate, the precision you want determines which variables you need to control. I can reach 95% or 99.99999% on a lot of things science has already discovered. 100% confidence is statistically impossible.

[JesusHChrist]

I'm detecting a whiff of the foul stench of presuppositionalism from this one.

[Tonus]

The two commonly held opinions are “from nothing, God created everything” and “from nothing, the Big Bang created everything”. One is called “religion” and the other is called “scientific fact”, but both make the same claim.

You've got a grasp on the religious belief, but your understanding of how science approaches knowledge is badly lacking. There might be a crackpot theory out there that states that "from nothing, the Big Bang created everything" but it's not taken any more seriously than "from nothing, God created everything." Scientific theories about how the universe began are just that-- theories. Religious claims about how the universe began are just that-- horseshit.

[Jackalope]

No.

You're still strawmanning what happened before the big bang. We don't know anything about the state of anything prior to that, and so it would be intellectually dishonest to claim that we know anything about it's causality.

My point exactly.

What is your point, exactly? That you're having an intellectually dishonest argument with yourself?

On that we agree, certainly.

[Mister Agenda]

My point exactly.

So your point is what we've been saying all along? Because originally your point seemed to be that religion and science agree that everything came from nothing. Now that we've repeatedly pointed out the science doesn't claim that and all that is known of the origin of the universe in absolute terms is that it was once in a very small, very hot, very dense state before the intitial expansion, and we don't know how long it was like that, if it was like that forever, if it had an origin, if it appeared just a moment before the BB from a quantum fluctuation, if it's banged before or this was the first time, we just don't know...and it's been like pulling teeth to get you here...that's your point exactly?