My Thoughts On Militant Atheism

[The Grand Nudger]

-What- harm.....precisely? Friction, tension, hurt feelings?

Howsabout this for harm- Those who wish for the apocalypse have it in their power to manifest it, should they ever tire of waiting for their fairies to do so.

You did pin me pretty well with one thing though, I do make divisions between myself and others. Namely, morons. If it were up to me I'd load em in a spaceship that looked suspiciously like a DC8 and fly them into volcanos on a distant planet.........

So you believe in a god, good for you (not a moron). So you believe that the earth was flooded by a vengeful god in the last few thousand years -or ever- and that because this happened we ought to arrange our society thus and thus (moron). I'm really not sure what you think militant atheists are militant about. I'm militant not about -what they believe- but how those beliefs -motivate them to action, and the contents of those actions-.

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good thing it 'aint up to me, amiright?

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[Celestine]

So, you're alright with, as an example, consistently degrading educational standards as ideologically minded theists continue to tamper with the regimen in order to inject their baseless, incorrect beliefs? That's okay with you?

So what if they find it logical? If a serial killer found their actions to be logical, would you be okay with that too? Or is there some fucking upper limit to "acceptable" beliefs in your mind, and you just can't muster the care about religious beliefs?

Flatly incorrect, as my fiancee and numerous other ex-theist atheists will attest. Given that you're just wrong here, we evidently aren't "wasting our time," and you can revise your argument accordingly, by retracting it.

Not that I think you will; for a supposed atheist I don't think you'll be intellectually honest enough. But we'll see.

The fall of education has nothing to do with religion, a stupid population is much easier to control than an intelligent one.

The difference between a murderer and a religious person is that one harms someone and the other doesn't. If a person is a murderer their religion should not be attached to them even if they claim they took such measures for their religion. The mindset of a murderer is different than a non-murderer they are deluded people and regardless of their beliefs they must face the consequences of their actions, atheist or theist.

Your fiancee and other atheists proved it to themselves, and were likely already unsure about their beliefs. The change from theism to atheism is a gradual one from my experience. Faith based queries come before evidence based ones.

[DramaQueen]

Celestine,

Can I ask you to clarify what it is you mean by "militant atheist"?

The kind that ambushes villages of the children of gawd and eat their children, sacrifice and rape everything for Satan the almighty.

[FatAndFaithless]

If a person is a murderer their religion should not be attached to them even if they claim they took such measures for their religion.

Yeah, there's no way you're serious. That statement is utter horseshit. So the guys who bomb abortion clinics and murder OB/GYN's because they claim it's their Christian duty, have nothing to do with Christianity? You're a joke.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Militant Atheism does far more harm than good and for any who call themselves atheists out there who believe that religion causes major problems in the world you are severely deluded to the political aspect of your world.

No it hasn't. Militant atheism, if such a thing exists, is nothing more than people giving their opinions. Forceful, perhaps, but harmless to everything aside the opinions and beliefs of those it is aimed at.

Indeed, I'm still yet to be convinced that a militant atheist even exists.

Militant Atheists seek to insult and belittle religious people who find their religion above all else to be logical, if they did not find their belief to be logical they would not believe in it. This form of logic is not dependent on evidence but rather it is a matter of faith. Further more you will never be able to argue against someone and win that argument, you will never be able to prove something for someone but they must prove it for themselves. In essence every atheist who is trying to disprove religion is wasting their time when they should be focusing more on the political agenda of their dominions... at least if they truly wanted to stop mass suffering on a global scale. All it achieves to do is create friction in a society where we should be living as a family, together, and inseparable. Instead we divide ourselves, by ethnicity, by political ideologies, by wealth, and by spiritual beliefs. It is from this division that we are so easily taken advantage of, and people like Richard Dawkins only seek to make the rift between us and our family deeper even if they themselves do not realize it. People in time will prove themselves wrong, making this whole militant atheism campaign a waste of time and if not a distraction and a scapegoat for governments to use to avert the eyes of the public from their political dealings.

Word salad.

Beliefs are not sacrosanct, and that includes religious beliefs. You'll find that a lot of people criticise beliefs but not necessarily the people that hold them (there are exceptions). Respect is earned, not given, and 'religion' has not earned my respect.

I am not sure if this message will reach any of you, atheists in my experience are no better than theists when it comes to rationality. All they managed to do was fit two pieces of a puzzle together in a puzzle that has over a million pieces. There is so much to learn in this life we can ill afford to waste time in it.

So please reconsider your stance on religion.

Make me. Give me a reason to, and I'll reassess. Otherwise you're all bluster and guilty of perpetrating the very behaviour you claim to be trying to prevent.

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Your fiancee and other atheists proved it to themselves, and were likely already unsure about their beliefs. The change from theism to atheism is a gradual one from my experience. Faith based queries come before evidence based ones.

I've been an atheist since day 1. I've never had a concept of a god, whatever that is.

[JesusHChrist]

[DramaQueen]

OP.. have you ever heard of "these guys"?

[ShaMan]

The change from theism to atheism is a gradual one from my experience.

I must have missed something. Have you experienced the transition yourself?

[Exian]

The difference between a murderer and a religious person is that one harms someone and the other doesn't.

Need we say more? I'm afraid we've lost another one. I won't practice futility.

[Celestine]

Make me. Give me a reason to, and I'll reassess. Otherwise you're all bluster and guilty of perpetrating the very behaviour you claim to be trying to prevent.

I am not here to make you do anything, but if you desire a reason I shall give you one. Religion has thousands of years of moral philosophies that all could benefit from, some are in error and should be discounted, others are thoughtful and should be reflected on.

I've been an atheist since day 1. I've never had a concept of a god, whatever that is.

Then how can you hope to understand what faith is? How can you hope to gently nudge people out of their faith in what they would otherwise refuse by force and insults?

Yeah, there's no way you're serious. That statement is utter horseshit. So the guys who bomb abortion clinics and murder OB/GYN's because they claim it's their Christian duty, have nothing to do with Christianity? You're a joke.

I am saying Christianity is not the culprit, no where in the bible does it say to bomb abortion clinics. The person who did such was clearly a misguided ignorant individual with violent tendencies, his religion only played a part in where he would commit his crime, otherwise he might have just tried to take out a subway.

Trick question! There aren't any pillars of atheism. Some atheist you turned out to be.,

You haven't read very much of the Quran if that's what you think it contains.

Religion gives humans an imprimatur to do evil, creates the infrastructure and does the brainwashing for the dumb sheep.

Why yes I have dear. Islam is a vile, foul, perverse idealogy. I know more than enough. It seems however, that you do not, if you think there is nothing naughty in the Quran.

I think you will find most of us are anything but ignorant. After all, knowledge if the main self-defense tool we use against religious bat-shittery.

So far I've read about 50 pages of the Quran, which I think is a lot more than you have. Also you must be careful not to confuse the Quran with Hadiths.

Humans will do evil regardless of religion. Why do people who are atheists commit crimes? It is time for you to accept that some people are just naturally horrible people.

I have not read all of the Quran yet, but I will be honest if I ever come to a point in it that is morally disagreeable with me. Wisdom is far more powerful than knowledge, you can be quite knowledgeable but still be a fool, and a fool is easily taken advantage of.

The change from theism to atheism is a gradual one from my experience.

I must have missed something. Have you experienced the transition yourself?

I have, when I was 13 I gradually began to lose my faith, when I was 15 I became an agnostic and when I was 16 or a few months before I turned 16 I was a full blown atheist. It took an entirety of 3 years for me to become an atheist, I unlike some people did not have the benefit of the internet or people who I could engage in dialogue with and ponder the existence of a god. When I became an atheist I thought I was the only one in the entire world, such was my isolation, I became an atheist entirely on my own. With only a handful of scientific theories and my own philosophical inquiries.