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RE: "God's" Way Of Saying
September 18, 2014 at 12:47 pm
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(September 18, 2014 at 10:19 am)Esquilax Wrote: If a god is moral, and can prevent suffering, then there is simply no reason why anyone should ever die in pain. Just let them die in their sleep that night.
What's so crazy about that? What about asking that a being not deliberately arrange for people to suffer for no reason is simply too much to ask?
Nothing crazy. It's a lovely notion and I think you should treasure it. It has nothing to do with this reality or the concept of my God, so apart from fantasising there's nothing I can do besides dream the dream with you.
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RE: "God's" Way Of Saying
September 18, 2014 at 2:39 pm
(September 18, 2014 at 12:21 pm)LostLocke Wrote: (September 18, 2014 at 1:00 am)Breakable Wrote: dont blame god, blame the structure in the building. blame the poor conditions of the land. blame the weather. blame the science, not the religion See, there's one of the problems we have.
Something good happens, thank God.
Something bad happens, not God's fault.
Why are the reverse never applied?
Because Abrahamic religions decided beforehand that their god was tri-omni (omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent) and bent reality to shoehorn it into their previously existing beliefs.
Luke: You don't believe in the Force, do you?
Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
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RE: "God's" Way Of Saying
September 18, 2014 at 3:26 pm
(September 18, 2014 at 2:39 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: omnibenevolent
*buzzer sounds*
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RE: "God's" Way Of Saying
September 18, 2014 at 6:00 pm
That biblical phrase "it rains on the just and the unjust" is another way of saying, "prayer has no influence outside of your subjective feels."
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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RE: "God's" Way Of Saying
September 18, 2014 at 7:39 pm
Omnibenevolence is infinitely more impressive than ultimate power or unlimited knowledge. In fact, it would be the one trait that actually mattered to me, in a situation where a god actually presented itself.
The Christian God isn't omnibenevolent because, even though it is just the fictional invention of simple minds, such a high ideal is beyond their imaginations and ultimate kindness and empathy has no place in a religion of division and hate.
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RE: "God's" Way Of Saying
September 18, 2014 at 10:39 pm
Well, with what, 40,000 or so Christian denominations, the odds of that particular church being the One True Faith wasn't very good, and you all don't even know if the One True Faith is even Christian.
(Might be those pesky Yorptites back in 7th century Urdustan, no way to know really) Too bad about all the dead and their demonstrably FALSE religion.
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RE: "God's" Way Of Saying
September 19, 2014 at 8:39 am
(September 18, 2014 at 6:00 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: That biblical phrase "it rains on the just and the unjust" is another way of saying, "prayer has no influence outside of your subjective feels." It also allows for 'bad things to happen to good people' and vice-versa. Gotta cover all the bases.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: "God's" Way Of Saying
September 19, 2014 at 11:43 am
(September 18, 2014 at 3:26 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (September 18, 2014 at 2:39 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: omnibenevolent
*buzzer sounds*
Welcome back! We are about to play Double Jeopardy, and the $64,000 question is: how can a God simultaneously be omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient and not do jack shit to help the world? If you answer "free will defense," then you lose because that's a point refuted a thousand times!
Luke: You don't believe in the Force, do you?
Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
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RE: "God's" Way Of Saying
September 19, 2014 at 11:45 am
Alex;
What is, "It's all part of his mysterious plan" for $1400
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RE: "God's" Way Of Saying
September 19, 2014 at 11:46 am
(September 19, 2014 at 11:43 am)StealthySkeptic Wrote: (September 18, 2014 at 3:26 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: *buzzer sounds*
Welcome back! We are about to play Double Jeopardy, and the $64,000 question is: how can a God simultaneously be omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient and not do jack shit to help the world? If you answer "free will defense," then you lose because that's a point refuted a thousand times!
Well, I think what Frodo meant was that not all Christians consider God to be omnibenevolent, most likely because there are people that haven't earned/don't deserve the unmitigated benevolence of God.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
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