Archbishop of Canterbury admits he has doubts about God

[vorlon13]

While sinless himself to appease his father, who is actually him.

[genkaus]

Jesus, though he was God, became human, and thus, subjected himself to the consequences of sin, such as suffering and death.

I thought consequence for sin was eternal suffering and permanent death. Your Jesus came back to life and didn't suffer long.

[Minimalist]

1 Timothy

You live your life by a forgery.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/1timothy.html

1 Timothy is one of the three epistles known collectively as the pastorals (1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, and Titus). They were not included in Marcion's canon of ten epistles assembled c. 140 CE. Against Wallace, there is no certain quotation of these epistles before Irenaeus c. 170 CE.

Norman Perrin summarises four reasons that have lead critical scholarship to regard the pastorals as inauthentic (The New Testament: An Introduction, pp. 264-5):

[vorlon13]

First and Second Timothy and Titus are in the King James Bible.

Regardless of their supposed bastard parentage, the Christers are stuck with them.

[Tonus]

I thought consequence for sin was eternal suffering and permanent death. Your Jesus came back to life and didn't suffer long.

Not only that. As an eternal being, what would three days mean to him? Scriptures tell us that he is timeless, that to him a day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as a day. He has existed endless eons into the past and will do so eternally going forth. He can't even claim that the 'sacrifice' was in the way he was treated-- he set that up centuries before it happened and therefore was the architect of his own fate.

In other words, he arranged for some neighborhood bullies to make fun of his t-shirt, and used that as justification for setting your whole family on fire.

[Jenny A]

Yes I am saying eternal punishment is unjust for any crime that can be committed in a finite lifetime. If your idea of god thinks otherwise than that idea is unjust.

I'm not sure that punishment in hell is eternal, but I believe God is just.

Scripture suggests it's eternal. If it is, than the god in scripture is not just unjust, but a monster.

[Minimalist]

First and Second Timothy and Titus are in the King James Bible.

Regardless of their supposed bastard parentage, the Christers are stuck with them.

To one degree or another all believers are conned. Sucks to be them.

[vorlon13]

So, the Archbishop, by dint of doubt, is less sucked ??

[Anomalocaris]

First and Second Timothy and Titus are in the King James Bible.

Regardless of their supposed bastard parentage, the Christers are stuck with them.

To one degree or another all believers are conned. Sucks to be them.

If it not to a very high degree, then they would be agnostic rather than believer.

[Lek]

I'm not sure that punishment in hell is eternal, but I believe God is just.

Scripture suggests it's eternal. If it is, than the god in scripture is not just unjust, but a monster.

I really believe that there is more evidence in the bible for a temporary hell than an eternal hell. In the early church there were three different views held by the church fathers. One was eternal punishment, another was punishment for an appropriate time followed by annihilation, and the other was appropriate punishment followed by repentance and salvation. I'm not going to go through all the references, but it seems that eternal punishment has the least to back it up. The roman catholic church embraced the eternal punishment view and they became the dominant force in christianity for over a thousand years. I still believe though, that whatever punishment God has chosen, it is just.

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Jesus, though he was God, became human, and thus, subjected himself to the consequences of sin, such as suffering and death.

I thought consequence for sin was eternal suffering and permanent death. Your Jesus came back to life and didn't suffer long.

There are many consequences of sin, such as suffering on earth and physical death. I've wondered about Jesus not suffering for eternity myself. It strikes me as maybe another reason to believe that hell is not eternal. Of course, we don't know everything Jesus went through.