Christian motivations for joining AF

[TruthWorthy]

then why do you stop short of saying that belief isn't based on what's real, that the evidence isn't suggestive in itself but only a product of God?
In the way you say that everything is God, you're really just renaming everything/the universe "God".
Point being that when disagreement arrises in discussion you become ambiguous or you don't explain what you mean properly so everything stops in the way of talking and becomes an argument about who's right/who can win.

[Arivaderchi]

I feel that Christians enjoy conversations that are unbiased with those who lack theistic beliefs because generally, based on the situations most people experience, the rode the atheism from theism has likely been, to some degree, bumpy and filled with negative reception. Thus, I find most atheists to be very strong in their views and very well-informed, generally better informed than the majority of Christians. In short, they like having debates, arguments, conversation, what-have-you with people that have their data correct and up-front.

[fr0d0]

then why do you stop short of saying that belief isn't based on what's real, that the evidence isn't suggestive in itself but only a product of God?
In the way you say that everything is God, you're really just renaming everything/the universe "God".
Point being that when disagreement arrises in discussion you become ambiguous or you don't explain what you mean properly so everything stops in the way of talking and becomes an argument about who's right/who can win.

Faith can't be based on something verifiable - that's an intellectually bankrupt notion. Belief is very real and basic.

The hard evidence could or could not be proof of God ...do you see that it can never be verifiable? That's how it has to be, and that's how it works out logically. I'm not interested in changing anyone's mind.. which is why I have no interest in explaining the detail. What I do have interest in is the logical concept of the idea.. which people then aren't satisfied with because they want to know the fine details of faith... which they at the same time deny... so that's a completely pointless exercise, and something I just can't be bothered to indulge.

That's a common theme. People have no come back on the point and go into safe ground of classic old arguments because they know that can lead no where and they can feel they've held ground.

[TruthWorthy]

So you could simply state that the faith and belief you experience is personal/subjective, right?

[fr0d0]

I find most atheists to be very strong in their views and very well-informed, generally better informed than the majority of Christians.

I find the vast majority of atheists ignorant of religion & theology. Atheists come together to learn the tired rhetoric doing the rounds and quote it blindly in the face of logic. Fundamentalists are an easy target and the weaker atheists love to mock.

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So you could simply state that the faith and belief you experience is personal/subjective, right?

I'm a conventional mainstream Christian. I'm part of a body of Christians who all believe and experience what they agree to be in line with each other. It's personal/ subjective and interpersonal and shared.

[Arivaderchi]

I find the vast majority of atheists ignorant of religion & theology. Atheists come together to learn the tired rhetoric doing the rounds and quote it blindly in the face of logic. Fundamentalists are an easy target and the weaker atheists love to mock.

That's interesting, seeing as where I am, all of the atheists that I have met and talked to are very knowing and intelligent on the topic of religion. They have also all (whether online or in person) discussed things that are neither rhetoric or uninteresting... both intriguing conversations and humorous, as all. Obviously Fundamentalists of any idea are easy targets, especially religious Fundamentalists, because those who see through logic and reason see their ideals as both idiotic and sometimes borderline criminal.

...dunno where you come from, but I have yet to meet an uninformed atheist and many close-minded, dopey Christians.

[TruthWorthy]

So you could simply state that the faith and belief you experience is personal/subjective, right?

I'm a conventional mainstream Christian. I'm part of a body of Christians who all believe and experience what they agree to be in line with each other. It's personal/ subjective and interpersonal and shared.

So you're saying that's it's the collective interpretation of the christian culture and the accepted personal subjective experiences based on this faith?

That's interesting, seeing as where I am, all of the atheists that I have met and talked to are very knowing and intelligent on the topic of religion. They have also all (whether online or in person) discussed things that are neither rhetoric or uninteresting... both intriguing conversations and humorous, as all. Obviously Fundamentalists of any idea are easy targets, especially religious Fundamentalists, because those who see through logic and reason see their ideals as both idiotic and sometimes borderline criminal.

...dunno where you come from, but I have yet to meet an uninformed atheist and many close-minded, dopey Christians.

Everything's against the law to according to god

[Dotard]

i.) Something to do while downloading porn.


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[Violet]

i.) Something to do while downloading porn.

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We all know it's the real reason fr0d0 is here

[TruthWorthy]

d, e, and h apply to me most accurately.

My reason in joining this forum was for the purpose of understanding and learning about the Atheist view-point, since I myself am not one(although for a time I considered myself one.)

Another reason is that I love talking about my own beliefs and believe that talking with someone smarter than oneself is the most effective way to grow and expand.

Are you happy to grow out of christianity if your mind were to grow in that direction?

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So you could simply state that the faith and belief you experience is personal/subjective, right?

I'm a conventional mainstream Christian. I'm part of a body of Christians who all believe and experience what they agree to be in line with each other. It's personal/ subjective and interpersonal and shared.

So you're saying that's it's the collective interpretation of the christian culture and the accepted personal subjective experiences based on this faith?

Would you be kind enough to confirm or correct my apprasal here?