Islams problem..

[Afifa Qua]

Well..central figure has died so may centuries ago(Muhammad). While even when the central figure was alive, many of some moslems interpret Koran(guidlines of moslem) inconsequentially, even Muhammad has explained it in a clear way.

Underline is, religion/faith cannot control human beings mind of how to interpret/fathom it.

In some areas of moslem society, there will always be moslems with radical thinking, and moslems with moderate thinking.

[Anomalocaris]

Bat shit fundie xtianity came into its own in the late 19th/early 20th century. When the shitheads sing about "That Old Time Religion" they are really only looking back about 20 years!

The fundie Wahabists in Islam date from the mid 18th century. Granted, the Sufists, like al-Ghazali, put the screws to scientific thought in Baghdad in the 13th century.

Christianity has been the problem with Christians long before there ever was any modern fundie. Prior to modern fundies being distinguished from other christianis pretty much every christian would have been a fundie. Christianity became a particular problem when available means of truth finding begin to surpass the ability of Christians to bullshit. That was around 1500s.

Fundie wahabists had no influence prior to about 1880s. On the whole Islam of 16-19th century was broadly speaking comparatively laid back in much of the Islamic world next to what we might think it had been from the perspective of news inundation by the acts of modern radical militant Islam. Several author made the case that proximal statt of modern militant Islam, and the opportunity for wahabistss to gain influence in the wider world, occurred between 1880-1900 with a surge of islamic religious students moving to study in what is now Saudi arabia in the aftermath of expansion of European colonialism in Africa and Indonesia /Malaysia.

[Retrolord]

Bat shit fundie xtianity came into its own in the late 19th/early 20th century. When the shitheads sing about "That Old Time Religion" they are really only looking back about 20 years!

The fundie Wahabists in Islam date from the mid 18th century. Granted, the Sufists, like al-Ghazali, put the screws to scientific thought in Baghdad in the 13th century.

Christianity has been the problem with Christians long before there ever was any modern fundie. Prior to modern fundies being distinguished from other christianis pretty much every christian would have been a fundie. Christianity became a particular problem when available means of truth finding begin to surpass the ability of Christians to bullshit. That was around 1500s.

Fundie wahabists had no influence prior to about 1880s. On the whole Islam of 16-19th century was broadly speaking comparatively laid back in much of the Islamic world next to what we might think it had been from the perspective of news inundation by the acts of modern radical militant Islam. Several author made the case that proximal statt of modern militant Islam, and the opportunity for wahabistss to gain influence in the wider world, occurred between 1880-1900 with a surge of islamic religious students moving to study in what is now Saudi arabia in the aftermath of expansion of European colonialism in Africa and Indonesia /Malaysia.

If I may,
Not to judge but I feel it is wrong to say "This religion is a problem or that one is a problem." Every religion, every race, every country, every damn group that's been here has had good and bad people. I don't agree with extremist Christians or extremist Muslims, but I'd think twice about judging each and every one.

Without Christianity-
1) No Oxford, Cambridge, U of Paris, (Bologna in Italy was perhaps the first) or any other universities.
2) No one to hold off the Ottomans. If it weren't for the Austrians, 80% of Europe would be Muslim.
3) The Crusades were bad I agree, but no one ever talks about the Islamic Conquest of Christian Syria and Egypt in the 7th century (Note- I am not anti-Muslim)
4) It made for brilliant artwork in the renaissance

Arguably without Islam, Europe wouldn't ever have recovered from the Dark ages.

So I'm not saying the good things outweigh the bad, just saying we shouldn't condemn certain people by what they believe

[Minimalist]

Every religion, every race, every country, every damn group that's been here has had good and bad people. I don't agree with extremist Christians or extremist Muslims, but I'd think twice about judging each and every one.

Study this comment.

"'Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

[Afifa Qua]

Then i believe of life balance concept by yin yang. Do you know why there's black in huge white curve and why there's white in hugeblack curve. You cannot justify all human who's doing both evil and good is a person who embrace certain religion. If so,simply logic..do you always do a good thing.,why are you so sure that other human will never judge you doing evil thing. I thought being atheist must be clear from hatred stuffs.

[FatAndFaithless]

...What?

[DeistPaladin]

In other news:

Ben Affleck needs to write "Islam is not a race" 50 times on the chalkboard for losing it and not letting Sam Harris speak, pelting him with false charges of racism.

[Cato]

Just what the world needs, a Muslim Pope.

[Chas]

Without Christianity-
1) No Oxford, Cambridge, U of Paris, (Bologna in Italy was perhaps the first) or any other universities.

Universities would have been founded earlier and been funded by secular means.

2) No one to hold off the Ottomans. If it weren't for the Austrians, 80% of Europe would be Muslim.

No one? Seriously? That statement is so ignorant it deserves no response.
Without religion, there would be no threat of Islam.

3) The Crusades were bad I agree, but no one ever talks about the Islamic Conquest of Christian Syria and Egypt in the 7th century (Note- I am not anti-Muslim)

Yes, we do comment on the spread of Islam by the sword.
And don't forget the Inquisition and witch trials.

4) It made for brilliant artwork in the renaissance

Arguably without Islam, Europe wouldn't ever have recovered from the Dark ages.

Arguably, without Christianity, Europe never would have had the Dark Ages.

So I'm not saying the good things outweigh the bad, just saying we shouldn't condemn certain people by what they believe

I condemn the delusion of faith.

[Mister Agenda]

If Islam was unified, it might be worse. This way, at least some elements within the religion are trying to drag it into the 20th century. We should nurture the most liberal and save our wrath for the most reactionary, and let the middle learn from what they see.