(October 6, 2014 at 1:23 am)Retrolord Wrote:(October 6, 2014 at 12:58 am)Chuck Wrote: Christianity has been the problem with Christians long before there ever was any modern fundie. Prior to modern fundies being distinguished from other christianis pretty much every christian would have been a fundie. Christianity became a particular problem when available means of truth finding begin to surpass the ability of Christians to bullshit. That was around 1500s.
Fundie wahabists had no influence prior to about 1880s. On the whole Islam of 16-19th century was broadly speaking comparatively laid back in much of the Islamic world next to what we might think it had been from the perspective of news inundation by the acts of modern radical militant Islam. Several author made the case that proximal statt of modern militant Islam, and the opportunity for wahabistss to gain influence in the wider world, occurred between 1880-1900 with a surge of islamic religious students moving to study in what is now Saudi arabia in the aftermath of expansion of European colonialism in Africa and Indonesia /Malaysia.
If I may,
Not to judge but I feel it is wrong to say "This religion is a problem or that one is a problem." Every religion, every race, every country, every damn group that's been here has had good and bad people. I don't agree with extremist Christians or extremist Muslims, but I'd think twice about judging each and every one.
Without Christianity-
1) No Oxford, Cambridge, U of Paris, (Bologna in Italy was perhaps the first) or any other universities.
2) No one to hold off the Ottomans. If it weren't for the Austrians, 80% of Europe would be Muslim.
3) The Crusades were bad I agree, but no one ever talks about the Islamic Conquest of Christian Syria and Egypt in the 7th century (Note- I am not anti-Muslim)
4) It made for brilliant artwork in the renaissance
Arguably without Islam, Europe wouldn't ever have recovered from the Dark ages.
So I'm not saying the good things outweigh the bad, just saying we shouldn't condemn certain people by what they believe
1. Universalities of the middle ages were derived from Greek schools, founded by mostly deists and polytheists.
2.Not to familiar with history are you? The event your referring was 17th century, the height of the Reformation. In other words it would've have actually been easier for the Austrians to hold off the ottomans in a world with no Christianity because Europeans would no it have been busy killing each other and instead be more united.
3.Bitch I'm still mad that those fuckers burned Alexandria.
4. And the Mona Lisa must be a nun! In all seriousness the vast majority of good rennisiance work was non religious.
5. As for your final point, of would have recovered fastest and more effectively as the library of
Alexandria would
still be here.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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