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How to disprove god
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RE: How to disprove god
You're all going to hell. How can you not believe in god? Have you ever REALLY looked at a tree? Like WOW. If that's not god I don't know what is.

But in all seriousness we can never disprove the alleged existence god, in the same way that we can never technically disprove the alleged existence of unicorns. However I think the OP understands this and the point is more so to trying to get people to offer up their own arguments against theists and possibly deists???

We can all easily make a theist look silly in the course of a debate, but much harder to make arguments against is the deist, who believe in a sort of 'first-cause' impersonal god. I neither believe in this type of god nor the theist description of god, but I just haven't really thought of or heard any rock solid arguments against a 'first-cause' god. In my mind that type of god doesn't really make sense either, but I am not sure how to really express why it doesn't make sense to me....
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#12
RE: How to disprove god
Try arguing -for it- and you'll probably stumble across what makes the notion seem nonsensical to you.
(I do this in my head when I disagree with someone and we get into a discussion about our disagreement)

For example, "I propose a first cause god because" - and then you draw a blank...that's one of the things you find nonsensical. You see no reason to propose such a god. On that count, btw, a first cause deist god is handled by any objection that a first cause theist god would be handled by. Most of the more amusing arguments regarding a theistic god apply just as well for deistic gods. One of my favorites is the last line of Epicuras little quip. "Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god?"
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RE: How to disprove god
(October 17, 2014 at 11:10 pm)smithers Wrote: We can all easily make a theist look silly in the course of a debate, but much harder to make arguments against is the deist, who believe in a sort of 'first-cause' impersonal god. I neither believe in this type of god nor the theist description of god, but I just haven't really thought of or heard any rock solid arguments against a 'first-cause' god. In my mind that type of god doesn't really make sense either, but I am not sure how to really express why it doesn't make sense to me....

It doesn't make sense because you notice it's the super being of fable with a new coat.
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