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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 2:36 pm
(October 30, 2014 at 2:28 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (October 30, 2014 at 2:25 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Said someone who obviously doesn't see any moral good in the pursuit of justice for its own sake. ... Do you have anything to counter what I actually said or do you just like to hear yourself type?
Why would I need to counter it? You saying an uncomfortable fact doesn't mean I somehow have something to defend. Like others have pointed out, if you're using what you said as a means to advance your religion, you're fallaciously appealing to consequences. You went on to say that's not what you were doing so... generally speaking, there isn't much worth countering in your little jab.
But I did find the implications of the fact that you just had to point that out to be interesting. To me, pursuing justice is its own reward, even if we'll never perfectly achieve it, and I'm wondering why it isn't to you. I wonder why you find "you'll never nail this absolutely perfectly" to be a disparaging remark, or a reason to stop trying.
And if you don't find it to be either of those, why on earth did you bring it up at all?
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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 2:45 pm
(October 30, 2014 at 12:50 pm)professor Wrote: The fiendish murderer gets off completely free after he blows up innocent people with himself.
Yet, I know you guys have a strong sense of justice.
It comes out in your posts.
In a world seen thru the lens of atheism, how does ultimate justice have any meaning?
Doesn't the terrorist's cheating his due reward grate at your thinking?
Doesn't deep down inside you scream that something is wrong?
There is no true justice when it comes to the christian god and jesus. Because anyone can get away with anything when asking for forgiveness. Its a exploit that say for instance a guy kills and eats babies he goes to jail and is going to die via execution. He turns to Christianity and asks for forgiveness from god he gets to go to heaven. Or better yet a real world example a guy is in court for killing a man and the judge brings out his son while a cop beats him to near death and the judge says you i put your sins onto my son if you wan't to be free accept him and believe in him and the guy does it again he kills again and gets sin free by accepting "mock" jesus.
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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 3:05 pm
Professor, don't confuse justice with revenge.
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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 4:03 pm
Quote:In a world seen thru the lens of atheism, how does ultimate justice have any meaning?
Justice has no 'ultimate'. It is transitory, local, and malleable.
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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 4:06 pm
Quote:The fiendish murderer gets off completely free after he blows up innocent people with himself.
That's about the most lucid comment you have ever made.
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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 4:10 pm
(October 30, 2014 at 4:06 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:The fiendish murderer gets off completely free after he blows up innocent people with himself.
That's about the most lucid comment you have ever made.
How is that lucid? How is blowing oneself up getting off completely?
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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 4:26 pm
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2014 at 4:33 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(October 30, 2014 at 12:50 pm)professor Wrote: The fiendish murderer gets off completely free after he blows up innocent people with himself.
Yet, I know you guys have a strong sense of justice.
It comes out in your posts.
In a world seen thru the lens of atheism, how does ultimate justice have any meaning?
Doesn't the terrorist's cheating his due reward grate at your thinking?
Doesn't deep down inside you scream that something is wrong?
You know what one of the main things that led me to be an atheist was? The realization that how much I want something to be true has no bearing at all on whether it actually IS true. The only justice we can count on is what we can manage to secure on earth, and it's far from perfect, but it's worth striving to make it better.
Something deep down inside me screams that we can do better than we have so far.
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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 4:59 pm
Murder-suicides seem to be an indication that people are much more concerned about temporal justice than eternal justice.
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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 5:02 pm
We should not indulge our desires to see people suffer too much. Death is acceptable if someone has done something bad enough, even if it was a quick death. Even if the victim suffered much more than they did.
It would feel more gratifying if someone died the same way they made someone else die, but that's less about justice and more about giving in to emotions. The anger stage of grief can be brutal.
The fact that the criminal died, and can't make anyone else suffer, should be enough.
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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 5:20 pm
(October 30, 2014 at 4:10 pm)Chas Wrote: (October 30, 2014 at 4:06 pm)Minimalist Wrote: That's about the most lucid comment you have ever made.
How is that lucid? How is blowing oneself up getting off completely?
He said the fiendish murderer gets off scot free....meaning there is no hell for him to suffer in for eternity....you know, Chas, what the jesus freaks think of as "good times."
And yes...he finally got that right.
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