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How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 12:50 pm
The fiendish murderer gets off completely free after he blows up innocent people with himself.
Yet, I know you guys have a strong sense of justice.
It comes out in your posts.
In a world seen thru the lens of atheism, how does ultimate justice have any meaning?
Doesn't the terrorist's cheating his due reward grate at your thinking?
Doesn't deep down inside you scream that something is wrong?
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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 12:53 pm
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The absence of God's magic justice (which, one can escape if he covnerts to <insert denomination here> and asks for forgiveness) only makes it more important to strive for justice in our lives on earth. The fact that some people won't face punishment is distasteful, but that's no reason to think or believe that there must be some sort of transcendent God-justice.
Reality isn't based on what we would find most comfortable, and sometimes shitty things happen to good people and bad people escape punishment.
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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 1:16 pm
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(October 30, 2014 at 12:50 pm)professor Wrote: Doesn't the terrorist's cheating his due reward grate at your thinking?
Doesn't deep down inside you scream that something is wrong? People aren't "due" anything, no matter how angry or repulsed we are with them. So, no.
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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 1:21 pm
(October 30, 2014 at 12:50 pm)professor Wrote: The fiendish murderer gets off completely free after he blows up innocent people with himself.
Yet, I know you guys have a strong sense of justice.
It comes out in your posts.
In a world seen thru the lens of atheism, how does ultimate justice have any meaning?
Doesn't the terrorist's cheating his due reward grate at your thinking?
Doesn't deep down inside you scream that something is wrong?
He got the death sentence. I'm good with that.
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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 1:22 pm
If this life is all there is, then people can strive for justice, but cannot realistically hope to achieve it.
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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 1:23 pm
according to christians as long as he accepted jesus before he committed the crime, he would be saved. All sin is the same in the eyes of god. Not really looking for justice, just an end to violence, he seemed to stop the source himself!
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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 1:25 pm
(October 30, 2014 at 12:50 pm)professor Wrote: The fiendish murderer gets off completely free after he blows up innocent people with himself.
Yet, I know you guys have a strong sense of justice.
It comes out in your posts.
In a world seen thru the lens of atheism, how does ultimate justice have any meaning?
Doesn't the terrorist's cheating his due reward grate at your thinking?
Doesn't deep down inside you scream that something is wrong?
It does grate. But then I try seeing it through Christian lens and see how the murderer can get off any way if he accepts Jesus and I figure that atheist lens is better after all - atleast its truthful.
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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 1:36 pm
(October 30, 2014 at 12:50 pm)professor Wrote: The fiendish murderer gets off completely free after he blows up innocent people with himself.
Yet, I know you guys have a strong sense of justice.
It comes out in your posts.
In a world seen thru the lens of atheism, how does ultimate justice have any meaning?
Doesn't the terrorist's cheating his due reward grate at your thinking?
Doesn't deep down inside you scream that something is wrong?
The following is just based on what I think you're trying to communicate with this post. Although I could be wrong, but I think you're trying to say does it not make me think there must be a higher justice system in this world or else everything is really messed up and there's no true justice.
1) Believing in many religious claims results in less justice being applied on this earth. (In my opinion probably the only justice which actually does exist.)
Because say for example an enemy of mine comes to my house and kills my parents, if I don't believe in the bible or anything Jesus says then I kill the intruders and probably save my own life in doing so since they probably would kill me next. But if I love my enemy as Jesus asks me to do then I approach the intruders asking if they want a hug and they butcher me to death.
That's if you interprete what Jesus said in the bible to mean love your enemies, which brings me to my next point.....
2) There's thousands of different religions out there with millions of interpretations of each religion, some people might genuinely believe they are doing good, for example the terrorist you mentioned might genuinely believe he is fighting devils, infidels, the disbelievers, and that god will reward him.
It doesn't seem fair that god gives out books open to interpretation and translation errors and so on, and gives these books out to people with brains capable of error and misinterpretation.
Anyway those are the first two objections which come to mind I'll have to finish this off later.
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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 1:38 pm
(October 30, 2014 at 1:22 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: If this life is all there is, then people can strive for justice, but cannot realistically hope to achieve it.
That distasteful reality isn't a reason to believe in god.
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RE: How about justice?
October 30, 2014 at 1:44 pm
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(October 30, 2014 at 12:50 pm)professor Wrote: The fiendish murderer gets off completely free after he blows up innocent people with himself.
Yet, I know you guys have a strong sense of justice.
It comes out in your posts.
In a world seen thru the lens of atheism, how does ultimate justice have any meaning?
Doesn't the terrorist's cheating his due reward grate at your thinking?
Doesn't deep down inside you scream that something is wrong?
Sure, it sucks, because the cosmos is entirely indifferent to our wants and desires. Wrongs happen that cannot be righted, and it does cause me to scream inside. What it doesn't cause me to do is to start believing in invisible beings that will magically make everything okay when I'm dead, because, you know, emotion isn't rational. You can pine all you wish for some sort of super-judge to correct the injustices you see, but that doesn't make it so.
And if you think using emotion as a ploy to convince people that pride themselves on setting their feelings aside will work, you've got bigger problems than a belief in a phantasmal father figure.
(October 30, 2014 at 1:38 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: That distasteful reality isn't a reason to believe in god.
Chad thinks making other worldviews look distasteful will somehow bolster his.
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