Systematically Dismantling Atheism

[fr0d0]

Some of us like this shit

[Aoi Magi]

Fine, flush yourself too.

[Thumpalumpacus]

So you're suggesting, even if the xtian God was the creator, the universe as we know it may simply be the result of His explosive diarrhea? Doesn't seem all that praiseworthy.

[LastPoet]

I am afraid of reading the OP. It might end my atheism, my unrestricted life of sex, good food and not believing in gods.

[robvalue]

And the baby eating. That's what I signed up for.

[LastPoet]

Now I'm hungry. Thanks rob.

[The Grand Nudger]

So you're suggesting, even if the xtian God was the creator, the universe as we know it may simply be the result of His explosive diarrhea? Doesn't seem all that praiseworthy.

Well it's a damn sight better than anything I've left floating, but yeah, sure why not? The idea that some "superintellect" would be required, or that there is even a relationship between intellect and the creation of a universe (in the hypothetical where the "creator" happens to have Mind 2.0) comes out of left field entirely, or at least it seems so to me. What could we possibly infer that from, ya know - theres nothing present in the line of reasoning that was offered that would bridge this gap, and trying to think of something exterior to it, some unsaid or unacknowledged -something- I'm drawing a blank on anything that wouldn't immedietely be found a bare assertion, or an assumption of what we intend to, hope to, or must prove. My mind not being the limit of the cosmos the floor is open to anyone who wants to try their hand at it, ofc. Whatever form such a line of reasoning might take would be interesting at least, if anyone had such a thing.

[Exian]

Well, this was disappointing. Atheism remains mantled.

[The Valkyrie]

People telling us what we think/believe.

Must be the season for them.

- Please don't tell me what I think, you're obviously not qualified to do so.
- You don't get to define what my atheism is. There are atheists who state categorically that gods don't exist - I don't. I don't believe in them and don't believe they exist. That applies to all gods, not just yours.
- Your claims fail to live up to the title of this thread.

'bye.

[Mudhammam]

The Incremental Intelligence Theorem

A.We have observable empirical evidence of a wide range of sentient life, all with varying degrees of intelligence/attributes, existing here on earth

Yep.

B.Therefore a wide range of sentient life, all with varying degrees of intelligence/attributes existing elsewhere in the universe, including other possible dimensions, is a logical possibility and can not be ruled out

Yep.

Therefore If A is true then B is logically possible and can not be rejected

Okay.

Atheists will easily accept the existence of a sentient life form (lets call it life form 1.1) that is 1% superior in intelligence to humans, and they will accept this possibility by blind faith using nothing more than logical inferences.

They will? Such as? Example?

So then we must assume life form 1.1 could exist, therefore can not be ruled out of existence. And life form 1.1 would also logically assume the possible existence of life form 1.2., and life form 1.2 would also logically assume the possible existence of life form 1.3 etc. etc.

Yes, there a lot of possibilities out there. (The Universe is pretty big.)

And at every step along the way an intelligent life form that is 1% superior in intelligence/attributes can logically & rationally exist from the perspective of the life form that is 1% inferior, and at no point along the way does this chain of slightly superior life forms become an irrational concept (i.e flying spaghetti monsters) from the perspective of the preceding slightly less intelligent life form. Therefore in this chain of logically possible life forms, the existence of life form 100000^100000 (i.e creator of the universe, thus God) becomes as logical a concept as life form 1.1 is.

A species of life that is inconceivably intelligent by human standards is possible. So? Are you calling anything that is immensely superior in intelligence to human beings "god" in the same way that modern technologies would likely appear to the ancients as "miracles?" You know that isn't meant to be taken in a metaphysical sense, right?

The concept of a God-like intelligence is only rejected by narrow minded subjective atheists that are incapable of mentally grasping the existence of BIG LIFE, when in fact there is no rational, logical or mathematical basis to reject a God-like intelligence from existing. Just as single celled organisms and trillion celled organisms have the same mathematical chances of existing , humans and a God-like sentience also have the same mathematical chances of existing

Yes, there's no basis for rejecting the logical possibility of a supra-intelligent species. No atheist, narrow-minded or not, would likely disagree. So, nice work, Captain Obvious.

Understand, the "SIZE OF INTELLIGENCE" has absolutely no relevance what so ever to the potential existence of a sentient life form. Therefore unimaginably small life has the exact same chances of existing as unimaginably big life does as far as logic is concerned, and the IIT proves it at every incremental step.

Once the atheist opens the door of possibility to the existence of life form 1.1, he then must produce a reason to stop this incremental intelligence from reaching Godhood in a stepwise fashion. And the atheist can never produce a valid reason to stop the progression of this incremental intelligence other than he can't mentally comprehend a God-like intelligence existing. Therefore the atheist is forced to compare the concept of God to absurd concepts like flying spaghetti monsters to justify his reasoning in what should be a perfectly logical concept.

Why stop at intelligence? Maybe there is a species with an unfathomable number of fingers? Does that possibility demand that we believe in the existence of such a creature absent of any observation? That would just be a stupid declaration... admittedly, that seems to be what you're arguing.

Atheists illogically and irrationally put a cap on the intelligence/attribute levels of all life that can possibly exist, and do so without ever giving an explanation why a God-like intelligence can not exist or is highly unlikely to exist. In fact the only logical reason someone has to put a cap on the intelligence levels in the universe, is if a life form knows all that can be possibly be known, thus is all knowing and can't know any more

Therefore true atheism (not agnosticism) is an illogical concept

No. But kudos because with every theist that arrives here with their "awe-inspiring" proofs, I struggle to imagine how the next epic fail will topple the last. And this fail was very epic. Maybe, like, an epic fail form 1.7.