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RE: Systematically Dismantling Atheism
November 10, 2014 at 12:52 pm
(October 31, 2014 at 9:56 pm)IDScience Wrote: I know what you believe because I know what you don't believe. Either God exists or he does not exist. Therefore If you claim you don't believe your team will lose, I understand you must believe your team will win because no third option exists.
Well then, you go ahead and produce a god, and the whole debate will be moot.
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RE: Systematically Dismantling Atheism
November 10, 2014 at 2:29 pm
I won't debate creationists, they're dishonest, unreliable and/or blind to facts.
I'll just say, in regards to your name, ID isn't a science. It's a claim with no supporting evidence.
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RE: Systematically Dismantling Atheism
November 11, 2014 at 4:47 am
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It is weird that a lot of people will accept the minute possibility that some sort of god may exist as evidence that it does actually exist, and that it happens to be as described in their handbook. And I don't know why they try to convince atheists of this, as atheists (as defined) never deny such a possibility.
I think if god was real we could do a little better than finding him some tiny dot of probability to pin all our hopes on.
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RE: Systematically Dismantling Atheism
November 11, 2014 at 10:21 am
That's what the
Hovind Scale was designed for. I suggest we start applying it.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Systematically Dismantling Atheism
November 11, 2014 at 10:33 am
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Christian philosopher Alvin Plantinga once criticized Richard Dawkins' argument in The Blind Watcher maker as:
"P is not astronomically improbable, therefore P."
It's especially ironic because Plantinga, who presents himself to be quite fond of the ID movement, would seem to support an alternative form of argumentation in every other conceivable instance:
"The probability of P cannot be fully ascertained, therefore G."
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RE: Systematically Dismantling Atheism
November 11, 2014 at 5:04 pm
I haven't been here for a bit. Is atheism still mantled?
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RE: Systematically Dismantling Atheism
November 11, 2014 at 5:21 pm
I think we should rename this thread "Failing to dismantle atheism"
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