Scientific Debate: Why I assert that Darwin's theory of evolution is false

[Cyberman]

It wasn't a claim. It was an observation based on the results of the experiment under discussion.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Many years of study of countless generations of bacteria and fruit flies all over the world shows that evolution is not happening today.

I'd suggest you google "cichld evolution lake victoria" and do a little reading. Additionally, if you want to stick to microbes, you realize that the flu inoculation must be changed regularly ... due to the mutation of viral RNA? You realize that antibiotics which were devastating to bacteria fifty years ago are now often useless? Care to guess why? They have evolved defenses against them.

As Esquilax points out, evolution happens as pressures are applied to the population of a species. As we've placed survival pressures on the examples above, they have evolved.

Simply stuffing your fingers in your ears and shouting "lalalalalalala" is not a refutation. You'll need to explain those changes without appealing to EbNS ... or your little god, for that matter.

[Heywood]

I don't think the conservation of momentum means what you think it does, especially if you think it's relevant to the topic of abiogenesis. When herring is on the menu, we're pretty much done. Time to tip the waiter and call a taxi.

Conservation of momentum was introduced to show that a claim you made is bullocks. If you agree that the claim you made is bullocks....we can move back to the topic of this thread....which is evolution and not abiogenesis.

You don't need abiogenesis to be true for evolution to be true. Abiogenesis is the real red herring here.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Evolutionists tell us we cannot see evolution taking place because it happens too slowly. A human generation takes about 20 years from birth to parenthood. They say it took tens of thousands of generations to form man from a common ancestor with the ape, from populations of only hundreds or thousands. We do not have these problems with bacteria. A new generation of bacteria grows in as short as 12 minutes or up to 24 hours or more, depending on the type of bacteria and the environment, but typically 20 minutes to a few hours. There are more bacteria in the world than there are grains of sand on all of the beaches of the world (and many grains of sand are covered with bacteria). They exist in just about any environment: hot, cold, dry, wet, high pressure, low pressure, small groups, large colonies, isolated, much food, little food, much oxygen, no oxygen, in toxic chemicals, etc.

There is much variation in bacteria. There are many mutations but they never turn into anything new. They always remain bacteria. Fruit flies are much more complex than already complex single-cell bacteria. In the lab, fruit flies are studied under every conceivable condition. There is much variation in fruit flies. There are many mutations. But they never turn into anything new. They always remain fruit flies. Many years of study of countless generations of bacteria and fruit flies all over the world shows that evolution is not happening today.

Oh if only you knew what we know.

[Heywood]

It wasn't a claim. It was an observation based on the results of the experiment under discussion.

You claimed God was not a requirement for the process. Now you are back peddling because you cannot substantiate your claim.

[Minimalist]

You have already made a lousy first impression.


Well you already called me a fuckhead

See why first impressions are important?

Meanwhile, still awaiting a fact.

[Cyberman]

The word is 'bollocks'. As was a lot of the words you've been using. I made no claims one way or another regarding physical laws. I made the observation that life is built up from basic amino acids; that the M/U experiment spontaneously polymerised certain of those amino acids under conditions loosely resembling those of the primaeval Earth; that the results indicate that no external influence, human or god, was required for the amino acids to form. If you want to inject a god's hand into the experiment then go ahead.

I quite agree that abiogenesis is irrelevant to the question of whether evolution is real. Since you do too, then that card need not come up in the deck again.

Incidentally, the other phrase you want is 'back pedalling'. Peddling is the act of selling something, thus back peddling, if such a thing exists, would suggest my convincing you to sell me something. I doubt there's anything you have that I would wish to buy.

[Heywood]

The word is 'bollocks'. As was a lot of the words you've been using. I made no claims one way or another regarding physical laws. I made the observation that life is built up from basic amino acids; that the M/U experiment spontaneously polymerised certain of those amino acids under conditions loosely resembling those of the primaeval Earth; that the results indicate that no external influence, human or god, was required for the amino acids to form. If you want to inject a god's hand into the experiment then go ahead.

When you say "the results indicate".....you are making a claim.

[Brian37]

It wasn't a claim. It was an observation based on the results of the experiment under discussion.

You claimed God was not a requirement for the process. Now you are back peddling because you cannot substantiate your claim.

Does lightening require Thor? Why is it you postulate an invisible sky hero but reject the once believed gap answer of Thor? You see that as a comic book character now because you are centuries removed from the real people who literally believed he was a god as fervently as you do in your position now.

God is not required to explain evolution, not yours not any. Anymore than it would make sense if cockroaches could speak, their gods would would be cockroach gods and look like cockroaches.

It is in your head, that is the only place your god exists, as a wish, as a claim because it is nothing more than your psychological fear of being finite and a way of boosting your own ego to feel self important.

It is a delusion no different than retrofitting a butterfly in an inkblot. If you want to believe something badly enough, you will.

[Cyberman]

Ok, I am making a claim that the results of the experiment indicate no deific involvement is required for amino acids to polymerise under conditions thought to simulate those of the primaeval Earth.

As evidence for this claim, I submit the results of the experiment.