Atheism & the Middle East.

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[simplemoss]

Isn't communistic atheism pretty popular over there? I know Ethiopia Somalia Libya and Afghanistan have had Communist movements and the Kurdish pkk are Communists (yes the same Kurds were supporting in Syria and Iraq) but I've never really seen alot of atheist persecution in the middle east. Maybe where Shari'a law is upheld but Christians live in the middle east by millions and there not killed everyday (regardless of what fox news would have think)

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Isn't communistic atheism pretty popular over there? I know Ethiopia Somalia Libya and Afghanistan have had Communist movements and the Kurdish pkk are Communists (yes the same Kurds were supporting in Syria and Iraq) but I've never really seen alot of atheist persecution in the middle east. Maybe where Shari'a law is upheld but Christians live in the middle east by millions and there not killed everyday (regardless of what fox news would have think)

Many people -if not a majority- of whom I know, don't actually practice islam, they don't read the Quran or pray.
In college, praying was a big burden in outings with Muslims -since non of them prayed-. Alcohol, sex, drugs all these things a pretty common in Muslims countries.

Egypt is well known for its fine weed & strip clubs ; even gay bars. But, keep it to yourself.
Technically, as the guy in al-jazeera article described it : keep it to yourself & nobody would harm you.

Communism & atheism here is mixed with Islam ; Saddam Hussain was irreligious, yet he prayed in public and even had "Allahu Akbar" on the Iraqi flag.

The PKK also has many who pray, fast and practice Islam. It's different than the "soviet communism".

Mostly, Islam is viewed as a heritage -not only a religion-, even to many atheists & irreligious people -like Saddam Hussain & Bashar Al Assad in Syria-.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Isn't communistic atheism pretty popular over there? I know Ethiopia Somalia Libya and Afghanistan have had Communist movements and the Kurdish pkk are Communists (yes the same Kurds were supporting in Syria and Iraq) but I've never really seen alot of atheist persecution in the middle east. Maybe where Shari'a law is upheld but Christians live in the middle east by millions and there not killed everyday (regardless of what fox news would have think)

Although saying that the Coptics have been persecuted and driven from their homes by the thousands in Syria and Iraq.

Many have also been killed in Egypt following the 'Arab Spring'.

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[Fidel_Castronaut]

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[Cato]

Are you seriously arguing that the Hadiths are not Islamic? That they have no bearing on the behavior of Muslims? Even if that were true you still have huge issues with the Quran:

Sura 4:101
When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers May attack you: For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.

Sura 5:33
Those who wage war against God and His Messenger and strive to spread corruption in the land should be punished by death, crucifixion, the amputation of an alternate hand and foot or banishment from the land: a disgrace for them in this world, and then a terrible punishment in the Hereafter . . . .

Doesn't take long to find out that spreading corruption has a wide range of activity with severe punishment.

Sura 5:51
O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them for friendship is of them. This friendship makes any Muslim a enemy of their own and deserving of the same fate as the unbeliever. This is because God does not guide an unjust people.

Sura 5:73
Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity. There is no god except the one god. Unless they refrain from saying this, those who disbelieve among them will incur a painful retribution.

Sura 8:12
I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.

Sura 9:5
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.

Sura 9:29
Fight those who do not believe in Allah - until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a states of subjection with willing submission and feel themselves subdued

Sura 9.73
O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.

Sura 9.123
O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you

Sura 22:19-20
Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed with rods of iron.
Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: "Taste the torment of the Conflagration!"


Sura 28:86
Never be a helper to the disbelievers.

Sura 66:9
O Prophet! make war on the infidels and hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their abode! and wretched the passage to it!

Sura 72:15
The disbelievers are the firewood of hell.

This is kitman at its finest. Religion of peace my ass. Here's a little clue for you: if you have to lie (outright or via omission) to support your claim, chances are your claim is wrong.

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[DramaQueen]

I used to be a Quranist, the reasoning behind that was that the Hadiths were written down decades after the death of Muhammad. Why should I trust the writers of the Hadiths.

Then the Sunnis asked how do I pray. the Quran is vague, and most of what I used to do was from the hadiths I was okay with.

Then I became a deist, I read a bit about other religions. Then I learned a bit about Judaism cause I didn't have a reason not to learn Hebrew. → on the fence agnostic → agnostic atheist