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RE: If
November 19, 2014 at 10:36 am (This post was last modified: November 19, 2014 at 10:37 am by Alex K.)
Their point is (I assume) that Pascal's Wager fails as an argument for belief in God, which it does.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: If
November 19, 2014 at 10:40 am
Riketto,
If the point of this thread was to assert that god is hypothetical, you have succeeded magnificently.
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RE: If
November 19, 2014 at 10:46 am
(November 19, 2014 at 10:32 am)paulpablo Wrote: But if he exists and he isn't as much of a maniac as the usual religions describe it wouldn't effect my outlook much.


Religions have done a tremendous damage in describing God as someone who can give eternal punishment so too many people think of a nasty God.
It just doesn't make any sense.
Why an hypothetical God would create something that would end up in the sewer?
This would be a God that is not very clever but again everything is possible although i don't believe so.
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#44
RE: If
November 19, 2014 at 10:49 am
(November 19, 2014 at 10:46 am)Riketto Wrote:
(November 19, 2014 at 10:32 am)paulpablo Wrote: But if he exists and he isn't as much of a maniac as the usual religions describe it wouldn't effect my outlook much.


Religions have done a tremendous damage in describing God as someone who can give eternal punishment so too many people think of a nasty God.
It just doesn't make any sense.
Why an hypothetical God would create something that would end up in the sewer?
This would be a God that is not very clever but again everything is possible although i don't believe so.

So..you're just giving us your opinion of god based on "what makes sense" to you?

Well..thanks...i guess.
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RE: If
November 19, 2014 at 10:52 am
(November 19, 2014 at 10:40 am)Cato Wrote: Riketto,
If the point of this thread was to assert that god is hypothetical, you have succeeded magnificently.


Wrong.
I do not assert that God is hypothetical at all.
I do believe that God exist but i leave the question open for you in order to see what would you say or think in case you found that God really exist. Cool Shades
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RE: If
November 19, 2014 at 10:59 am
(November 19, 2014 at 9:52 am)Riketto Wrote:
(November 19, 2014 at 9:40 am)Stimbo Wrote: We can extend the hypothetical? Sweet!

In that case I get to pull out my anti-god bazooka and blow the bloodthirsty cunt to wherever gods go when they die. I'll keep the teeth for a necklace, sit in "his" throne and then you can all worship me. Then I'll probably order a latte or something.


In this material world many sons killed their fathers and enjoy their father throne but how would you know if you could kill God if HYPOTHETICAL speaking would be you divine father? Can you bring a bazooka with you after your body death? Thinking

You'd have to be quite a cunt to make up hypotheticals as you go along and then suddenly bring up rational objections when other people do it. It was an anti-god bazooka. It can kill God by definition. The devil handed it to him. And God wants someone to put him out of his misery, so he doesn't defend himself.

If you don't like it when people extend the hypothetical beyond what's contained in the OP, you should refrain from doing it yourself.
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November 19, 2014 at 11:00 am
(November 19, 2014 at 10:34 am)Riketto Wrote: As far as i know about this Pascals wager theory is that it is all about consequences of what would happen in this or that case while my asking is what would you think or say if you are found to be wrong.
Is this so hard to understand? Thinking
That's the essence of Pascal's Wager (ie, what if you were wrong about god).
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

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RE: If
November 19, 2014 at 11:02 am (This post was last modified: November 19, 2014 at 11:25 am by pocaracas.)
(November 19, 2014 at 11:00 am)Tonus Wrote: what if you were wrong about god

Then god's a cunt.
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RE: If
November 19, 2014 at 11:02 am
(November 19, 2014 at 10:26 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: It's useful as a thought experiment, but Rikky is obviously using it as a form of Pascals wager, which makes it inane.

Especially if his responses to our responses are just more apologetics. We could've started there.

They're not even more aplogetics. They're more hypotheticals.
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RE: If
November 19, 2014 at 11:06 am
(November 19, 2014 at 10:49 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:
(November 19, 2014 at 10:46 am)Riketto Wrote: Religions have done a tremendous damage in describing God as someone who can give eternal punishment so too many people think of a nasty God.
It just doesn't make any sense.
Why an hypothetical God would create something that would end up in the sewer?
This would be a God that is not very clever but again everything is possible although i don't believe so.

So..you're just giving us your opinion of god based on "what makes sense" to you?

Well..thanks...i guess.


Interesting point Fat.
Actually i base my belief in what my consciousness tell me but i am not here to assert my believes.
When i say that God would think in this or that way i base this on My logic which of course can be wrong.
My opinion is open to any challenge so if you find that i am wrong please let me know.
The forum is just a place where people say what make sense to them.
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