Is Obama a President or King?

[DeistPaladin]

...the liberal bias of the other networks...

Anyone who was still attached to the myth of the "liberal bias" of the media should have been disabused of that delusion during the W Bush years. The media shamelessly turned into a bunch of cheer leaders in the run up to the Iraq War and then swept it all under the rug when it turned out to be based on lies. They even managed to create an artificial moratorium on the words "lie" or "liar", condemning anyone uttering those words as impolitic and "shrill". This ban lasted until some people had their health insurance plans canceled and suddenly the word "lie" was in vogue again. It was all changed on a fucking dime like the propaganda in Orwell's 1984.

If you work in the media and you either are a liberal or report on a story sympathetic to liberals, you are skating on thin ice. Your career hangs by a thread. You make one mistake and you are FIRED. You made an honest mistake? Fuck you, you're fired! You have 25 years with us? Fuck you, you're fired! Turns out you were completely right about what you said? Fuck you, you're fired! You're lucky if we don't physically throw you out and dump the contents of your desk out the window.

If you work in the media and you are either a conservative or report on a story sympathetic to conservatives, there is no accountability for any mistakes or even gross negligence. You can shit yourself on air, pull it out of your pants and fling it at the camera. At most, you may go to the penalty box for a month or two and then be back on the air with nothing said.

See Lara Logan and Dan Rather for an apples to apples example. There are many others I can name.

If Republicans win an election, even if it's a 51/49 win, it's reported as a "mandate" and the discussion turns to "how will the Democrats come to the center" (as if they're not already centrist enough).

If Democrats win an election, even if it's a landslide, it's reported as "a call for bipartisanship" and the discussion turns to "how will the Democrats still include the Republican minority as they govern".

Liberal
Media
My
Ass

[Heywood]

I have always maintained we would need to see the executive orders in order to judge them.....and we still do. It could be that Obama's speech purposely left out certain details of his executive orders. Right now all I have to judge is his speech and my initial feeling about it is that I didn't hear anything which lead me to believe Obama intends to overstep his bounds. The could change with a more detailed analysis.

According to CNN:

The most far-reaching changes in Obama's order will offer papers and work authorization to up to four million people who are undocumented parents of U.S. citizens or legal permanent residents, as long as they have lived in the U.S. for five years or longer.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/20/politics/o...?hpt=hp_t1

I didn't hear that detail in Obama's speech.

Offering papers and work authorizations is not prosecutorial discretion. If the law says you must meet certain criteria to obtain papers and work authorization, how does Obama justify using an executive action to make these changes to the law?

[simplemoss]

I'm confused does Heywood support the law but just doesn't support executive action. I'm just trying too follow psycho line of bullshit he's spewing on other threads. So woodie's a Republican libertarian who wants universal healthcare, loose immigration policy. Thinks shocking someones balls to get false confessions from Abu gharaib and arresting some for one night are both forms of further and should be treated the same.

Thinks Jim crow laws weren't racist at all. And that bill Clinton is responsible for the war in Iraq. And thinks Clinton lying about a blowjob is a worse crime than bush lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Have I got most woodie's insane church of fucking dogshit about right so far or did I miss anything. I feel sorry for fox news viewerss like this shithead he's so fucking brainwashed he doesn't realize how fucking stupid he sounds

Take your teabagging brainwashed Neo nazis bullshit and go blow it out your ass somewhere else

[Heywood]

I'm confused does Heywood support the law but just doesn't support executive action. I'm just trying too follow psycho line of bullshit he's spewing on other threads. So woodie's a Republican libertarian who wants universal healthcare, loose immigration policy. Thinks shocking someones balls to get false confessions from Abu gharaib and arresting some for one night are both forms of further and should be treated the same.

Thinks Jim crow laws weren't racist at all. And that bill Clinton is responsible for the war in Iraq. And thinks Clinton lying about a blowjob is a worse crime than bush lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Have I got most woodie's insane church of fucking dogshit about right so far or did I miss anything. I feel sorry for fox news viewerss like this shithead he's so fucking brainwashed he doesn't realize how fucking stupid he sounds

Take your teabagging brainwashed Neo nazis bullshit and go blow it out your ass somewhere else

Shoo troll.....nobody likes you.

[Minimalist]

He's a damn sight better than you, Woodie.


Here....this would be funny if it weren't so true.


http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-...MzAzODA3S0

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In a sharp Republican rebuke to President Obama’s proposed actions on immigration, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell accused the President, on Thursday night, of “flagrantly treating immigrants like human beings, in clear defiance of the wishes of Congress.”

[Exian]

He's a damn sight better than you, Woodie.


Here....this would be funny if it weren't so true.


http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-...MzAzODA3S0

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In a sharp Republican rebuke to President Obama’s proposed actions on immigration, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell accused the President, on Thursday night, of “flagrantly treating immigrants like human beings, in clear defiance of the wishes of Congress.”

Jesus, that's ugly.

[Thumpalumpacus]

lolol

[TaraJo]

Executive orders are part of the presidency. I mean, seriously, do you have any idea how many executive orders were made by Regan, Bush1 or Bush2? Hell, the first president to use executive orders was Lincoln; are you questioning whether he was a president or king?

And, in all honesty, this is about the only way Obama is going to be able to accomplish anything. The GOP has made it crystal clear that they aren't going to approve any significant legislation that he'll ever be able to take credit for. I mean, had they ever bothered to write up their own immigration package, they'd have more to stand on. As it is, it feels like all they're doing is saying "No, I don't like your idea" without ever offering an idea of their own.

[Heywood]

Executive orders are part of the presidency. I mean, seriously, do you have any idea how many executive orders were made by Regan, Bush1 or Bush2? Hell, the first president to use executive orders was Lincoln; are you questioning whether he was a president or king?

Tarajo, I already addressed this. Nobody thinks the president cannot issue executive orders. Nobody is saying this. This is either a straw man argument by the left...or the left believes the president has the power to do what ever he or she wants via executive order.

And, in all honesty, this is about the only way Obama is going to be able to accomplish anything. The GOP has made it crystal clear that they aren't going to approve any significant legislation that he'll ever be able to take credit for. I mean, had they ever bothered to write up their own immigration package, they'd have more to stand on. As it is, it feels like all they're doing is saying "No, I don't like your idea" without ever offering an idea of their own.

Obama promised he would do something about immigration in his first year in office. He had the house and the senate in the palm of his hands. He could have quite easily done everything he did today(and much more) legislatively but he choose not too.

Obama did not because he doesn't really care about immigration. He helped tank the Bush's immigration bill back in 2007 that would have granted legal status to at least 2 million illegal immigrants. The democrats controlled the senate and were tacking on amendments that they knew would cause the republicans to reject the bill. Obama pledged his support to the bill all the while voting for toxic amendments which would kill it. What Obama cares about is using this as a wedge issue for political gain. He doesn't give a rats ass about the illegals immigrants.

MrAgenda correctly points out that Obama's actions today can be erased with a stroke of a pen by the next president. So what did Obama really accomplish? He poisoned the well with the republicans and created a situation where illegal immigrants have to live with the fear of uncertainty. Should they come out, register, pay taxes...pay back taxes, only to get deported when the next president rescinds the executive order? He tells them to come out of the shadows....but knows damn well they won't......and you suckers believe he did something good today.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Oh dear ... Obama poisoned the well?

That's rich.