MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)

[coldwx]

You know, you keep saying we have a reading comprehension problem. Ever stop to think it might possibly be your unsound arguments and presentation of them? It reminds me of the episode of the Big Bang Theory where everyone keeps telling Sheldon to go away and he can't quite figure out why that is....

[Silver]

Man please.

Man, please. How about you stop being so dumb?

[Minimalist]

You may as well talk to a stone wall. This guy is a fucking asshole.


From Richard Carrier's 'On the Historicity of Jesus:'

Jesus was born around the time of either Herod the Great's death (4 acE) or the Roman annexation of Judea (6 CE), then preached in Galilee and was crucified under Pontius Pilate (26-36 CE) during the reign of Emperor Tiberius (14-37 CE). Right? Well, we're not really sure. Because Christians weren't really sure. Some Christians bel ieved Jesus died during the reign of Emperor Claudius (41-54 cE). Others believed he was executed by a Herod, not Pilate. And still others were certain he was born and died in the reign of King Alexander Jannaeus (103-76 BeE). That's right. Some Christians believed Jesus had lived and died a hundred years earlier than our Gospels claim.

In the late fourth century the Christian scholar Epiphanius compiled an extensive dossier on all the 'heresies' he knew of, calling it the Panarion, 'Medicine Chest'. One of these 'heresies' he covers is that of the 'Nazorians', who were still practicing Jews; as Epiphanius says, these 'Nazorians confess that Christ Jesus is the Son of God, but all their customs are in accordance with the Law'. 1 This would mean a sect that descended directly from the original Christian sect founded by Peter, John and James (the 'pillars' of Galatians 2), before Paul's innovation eliminated Torah observance (Element 20). These Nazorians were still Torah observant, and still called themselves by their original name (Acts 24.5; Jerome, Letters 1 1 2.13), the name they held before the sects we are more familiar with came to be called Christians (Acts 1 1 .26).2

Epiphanius then says a curious thing: these Christians say Jesus had lived and died in the time of Alexander Jannaeus.

pg. 281

[Thumpalumpacus]

[Ravenshire]

Yeah, you can...and I can also laugh at the fact that you typed up all of that crap, which I ignored..so you typed it alllll for nothing.

Oh, not for nothing. There are others who enjoy watching tools like you get worked.

You noticed? Well, I made it quite obvious, didn't I?

So, you have no real interest in proving your bullshit claims then? Interesting.

And you will need all the luck you can get in here.

[His_Majesty]

To your first, we have eye witness accounts of Van Buren, but none of Jesus, so you fail there.

We have eyewitness accounts of Jesus too..Paul claimed to not only see the Resurrected Jesus, but he meet with the original disciples who WERE eyewitnesses. But that doesn't count, does it...well, neither does the Van Buren accounts. I am not playing the double standard game.

For your second one, Tacticus mentions a michevious superstition therefore the resurrection?!?! Fuck, you really are grasping at straws now laddie.

Yeah, I can totally see why the story of a man being crucified and rising from the dead would be seen as a mischievous superstition to a unbeliever. In fact, Tacitus feels the same way that most of you people on here feel.

And lastly, this only attests to people's gullibility, nothing else.
Now if Christianity had appeared simultaneously at different places around the world you would have a case.

If you move the goal posts back any further I might not be able to see it at all. Simultaneously at difference places around the world? You sound like a damn fool

Well, right now, it is in all places around the world...simultaneously...over 2 billion followers...starting from one wise guy and 12 of his idiot followers....

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Oh, not for nothing. There are others who enjoy watching tools like you get worked.

Tools? There isn't a hardware store big enough. But keep talking tho...you are like the half time show in between the spankings that I am giving out.

So, you have no real interest in proving your bullshit claims then? Interesting.

You aint ready, lil fella.

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You may as well talk to a stone wall. This guy is a fucking asshole.


From Richard Carrier's 'On the Historicity of Jesus:'

Jesus was born around the time of either Herod the Great's death (4 acE) or the Roman annexation of Judea (6 CE), then preached in Galilee and was crucified under Pontius Pilate (26-36 CE) during the reign of Emperor Tiberius (14-37 CE). Right? Well, we're not really sure. Because Christians weren't really sure. Some Christians bel ieved Jesus died during the reign of Emperor Claudius (41-54 cE). Others believed he was executed by a Herod, not Pilate. And still others were certain he was born and died in the reign of King Alexander Jannaeus (103-76 BeE). That's right. Some Christians believed Jesus had lived and died a hundred years earlier than our Gospels claim.

In the late fourth century the Christian scholar Epiphanius compiled an extensive dossier on all the 'heresies' he knew of, calling it the Panarion, 'Medicine Chest'. One of these 'heresies' he covers is that of the 'Nazorians', who were still practicing Jews; as Epiphanius says, these 'Nazorians confess that Christ Jesus is the Son of God, but all their customs are in accordance with the Law'. 1 This would mean a sect that descended directly from the original Christian sect founded by Peter, John and James (the 'pillars' of Galatians 2), before Paul's innovation eliminated Torah observance (Element 20). These Nazorians were still Torah observant, and still called themselves by their original name (Acts 24.5; Jerome, Letters 1 1 2.13), the name they held before the sects we are more familiar with came to be called Christians (Acts 1 1 .26).2

Epiphanius then says a curious thing: these Christians say Jesus had lived and died in the time of Alexander Jannaeus.

pg. 281

Richard Carrier? Who is Richard Carrier? Ohhhh, that is the guy that got his ass handed to him by William Lane Craig in a debate on the very subject at hand...the Resurrection.

I remember now...

[Minimalist]

Paul claimed to not only see the Resurrected Jesus, but he meet with the original disciples who WERE eyewitnesses.

"Paul" is as phony as the rest of your bullshit. Sometime between 160 and 180 he was rescued and re-invented by early church bullshitters after having been concocted by Marcion c 140.

[Silver]

William Lane Craig

Only an idiot of your stock places any real credence in Craig.

[Minimalist]

WLC couldn't beat his meat in a debate.

[His_Majesty]

Too many "um jenny's" there.

If it isn't to your liking...I will make it double the next time.

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Paul claimed to not only see the Resurrected Jesus, but he meet with the original disciples who WERE eyewitnesses.

"Paul" is as phony as the rest of your bullshit. Sometime between 160 and 180 he was rescued and re-invented by early church bullshitters after having been concocted by Marcion c 140.

Ignorance. Paul was already gone by 65AD. Ignorance I tell ya, Ignorance.