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MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)
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(December 12, 2014 at 9:59 am)His_Majesty Wrote:(December 12, 2014 at 12:22 am)whateverist Wrote: You know what? I don't deserve your efforts You know what you can believe in the bible and jesus as much as you want. but it doesn't make it any true due to assertions it requires blind faith, but you know what i won't bother maybe to some other people they will read it and be like Hallelujah i see your wisdom and jesus is real. But i won't entertain you and say your wrong anymore because look for how much of a effort people tried to educate you in the previous thread, i want nothing to do with this thread.
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I am curious to see how this goes, although I think that this is damn near impossible. And I'm one of those who think there was a historical figure at the origin of the cult.
First, we have to establish who we are talking about and find him in the historical and archeological records, as pointed out in part one. That was correct in what was needed, although the execution was sloppy. After that you have to track down the grave site, the supposed witnesses, and try and find some corroborating archeological evidence. And, given we don't know which claimant he is and the records are slim, finding the tomb is going to be hard enough finding corroboration is going to be damn near impossible. RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus (Part 2)
December 12, 2014 at 5:52 pm
(This post was last modified: December 12, 2014 at 5:54 pm by His_Majesty.)
RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus (Part 2)
December 12, 2014 at 6:26 pm
(This post was last modified: December 12, 2014 at 6:26 pm by robvalue.)
I always knew the bible was rubbish, but I was not prepared for just how laughable the gospels would be when I started looking into them properly.
Religious guys have either not read these things in any detail, or have no idea whatsoever how to objectively assess something. It would be funny if they hadn't caused so much bloodshed.
Not about to do a line-by-line for this one (outstanding job, Jenny), but this bit leapt out at me:
Quote:Because only someone living during that time would know certain FACTS regarding the time and location...these facts include cultural customs, historical figures, and even the "nature" of things during the time. This is so bad, it isn't even wrong. So, you feel there's no such thing as historical writing? By your standard, if I were to write about the Great Hunger (the Irish 'famine') - a period I know quite a lot about - you would necessarily conclude that I lived during that time. Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
His_Majesty Wrote:So, now that I've successfully made a case for and defended the historical evidence supporting Jesus of Nazareth's existence in human history, now I will make the case.. Talk about building houses on sand! You can't just point to a hundred page thread and bald assert that you've successfully done anything in that thread without pointing to the point at which you believe you successfully did "it". Please, for the love of intellectual honestly, show me where you believe you "succeeded at making a case for and successfully defended the historical evidence supporting Jesus of Nazareth's existence in human history."
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite. Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment. Quote:Some people deserve hell. I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
Thanks, Luckie. That looks better.
(December 12, 2014 at 7:18 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Thanks, Luckie. That looks better. I'm happy to be of service *salutes Min
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite. Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment. Quote:Some people deserve hell. I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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