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RE: we don't send ourselves to hell
December 1, 2014 at 7:42 pm
(December 1, 2014 at 6:57 pm)Godschild Wrote: (December 1, 2014 at 3:31 pm)dyresand Wrote: If i was scared to go to hell i would be a Christian.
That's only a small part of being a Christian, and should never be the main reason to be a Christian. Glad to see you admit that Christians have nothing to fear when it comes to hell.
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There is no place as hell so there is no reason for anyone to be afraid of it.
The Christian god is no different then the character, Jigsaw in the Saw movies. Jigsaw set up a series of deathly tests that forced a person to chose between something horrible and dying. He claimed these bizarre tests to taught people to love life and he also claimed that he wasn't the person responsible for anyone's death. His victims decided how they would respond to the scenarios he set up. How is that not like the Christian god?
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RE: we don't send ourselves to hell
December 1, 2014 at 7:46 pm
(December 1, 2014 at 3:20 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: An omniscient being (like God) can only know that which it is possible to know. The not yet made choices of free agents exist only in potential and not in actuality. It is not possible to have actual knowledge of something that does not yet exist. Therefore an omniscient being cannot know beforehand the actual choice a moral agent will make out of the infinite number of potential choices the moral agent could take. So prophecies that are at all dependent on human actions are just guesses?
Revelation is just a guess?
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RE: we don't send ourselves to hell
December 1, 2014 at 7:49 pm
(December 1, 2014 at 5:46 pm)Drich Wrote: (December 1, 2014 at 2:38 pm)dyresand Wrote: ... and yet some people will say god doesn't interfere with free will... yes he does in the OT and the NT making a mans heart cold and not letting the jews go. If your heart was harden toward a given segment of the population would you keep them in slavery? Pharroah's Heart was already hard is the thing most of you selectivly forget. God Harden it to limit 'buyers remorse.'
Exodus 10 King James Version (KJV)
10 And the Lord said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh: for I have hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him:
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RE: we don't send ourselves to hell
December 1, 2014 at 7:50 pm
(December 1, 2014 at 7:18 pm)Godschild Wrote: (December 1, 2014 at 7:12 pm)Beccs Wrote: Looking at history, I would say I'm right.
What?
It's not clear to you?
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RE: we don't send ourselves to hell
December 1, 2014 at 7:58 pm
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(December 1, 2014 at 7:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: A desire and His will are two very different things, to many will be in hell. But god is not some ordinary person, beholden to the whims or needs of another. The only person god is obliged to is god. If god desires something, no one stands in his way. If god truly desires that none suffer in hell, then none will suffer in hell. Otherwise god is conflicted, and therefore his well-being is suddenly in the hands of his creation. He must spend eternity worried, because unless he removes free will, there will always be the opportunity for someone to hurt him by rejecting him.
It does not make sense for him to create that kind of reality around himself.
(December 1, 2014 at 7:49 pm)IATIA Wrote: 10 And the Lord said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh ...and Moses replied "but my lord, I'm heterosexual!"
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RE: we don't send ourselves to hell
December 1, 2014 at 8:13 pm
(December 1, 2014 at 7:46 pm)alpha male Wrote: (December 1, 2014 at 3:20 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: An omniscient being (like God) can only know that which it is possible to know. The not yet made choices of free agents exist only in potential and not in actuality. It is not possible to have actual knowledge of something that does not yet exist. Therefore an omniscient being cannot know beforehand the actual choice a moral agent will make out of the infinite number of potential choices the moral agent could take. So prophecies that are at all dependent on human actions are just guesses?
Revelation is just a guess? OT prophecies have always been contingent on human actions, as in either repent or this (plague, foreign invasion, etc) will happen. The people of Nineveh repented and avoided a dire fate. God can know the potentials and as events draw near can make near certain predictions (as in the case of Peter's thrice denial). As for Revelation you will notice that almost all the action is taken by the Lord.
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RE: we don't send ourselves to hell
December 1, 2014 at 11:11 pm
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(December 1, 2014 at 7:42 pm)Nope Wrote: (December 1, 2014 at 6:57 pm)Godschild Wrote: That's only a small part of being a Christian, and should never be the main reason to be a Christian. Glad to see you admit that Christians have nothing to fear when it comes to hell.
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There is no place as hell so there is no reason for anyone to be afraid of it.
The Christian god is no different then the character, Jigsaw in the Saw movies. Jigsaw set up a series of deathly tests that forced a person to chose between something horrible and dying. He claimed these bizarre tests to taught people to love life and he also claimed that he wasn't the person responsible for anyone's death. His victims decided how they would respond to the scenarios he set up. How is that not like the Christian god?
God's real your guy well the screen is where he lives.
GC
(December 1, 2014 at 7:58 pm)Tonus Wrote: (December 1, 2014 at 7:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: A desire and His will are two very different things, to many will be in hell. But god is not some ordinary person, beholden to the whims or needs of another. The only person god is obliged to is god. If god desires something, no one stands in his way. If god truly desires that none suffer in hell, then none will suffer in hell. Otherwise god is conflicted, and therefore his well-being is suddenly in the hands of his creation. He must spend eternity worried, because unless he removes free will, there will always be the opportunity for someone to hurt him by rejecting him.
It does not make sense for him to create that kind of reality around himself.
That's because you've never experienced God's love, free will is that important to Him. God is never conflicted, He's omniscient. His well being lays only with Him, He's omnipotent. If God was only obliged to himself, then why did Jesus die for us. Seems you have some problems in your thoughts about God.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: we don't send ourselves to hell
December 2, 2014 at 12:47 am
(December 1, 2014 at 11:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: (December 1, 2014 at 7:42 pm)Nope Wrote: There is no place as hell so there is no reason for anyone to be afraid of it.
The Christian god is no different then the character, Jigsaw in the Saw movies. Jigsaw set up a series of deathly tests that forced a person to chose between something horrible and dying. He claimed these bizarre tests to taught people to love life and he also claimed that he wasn't the person responsible for anyone's death. His victims decided how they would respond to the scenarios he set up. How is that not like the Christian god?
God's real your guy well the screen is where he lives.
GC
(December 1, 2014 at 7:58 pm)Tonus Wrote: But god is not some ordinary person, beholden to the whims or needs of another. The only person god is obliged to is god. If god desires something, no one stands in his way. If god truly desires that none suffer in hell, then none will suffer in hell. Otherwise god is conflicted, and therefore his well-being is suddenly in the hands of his creation. He must spend eternity worried, because unless he removes free will, there will always be the opportunity for someone to hurt him by rejecting him.
It does not make sense for him to create that kind of reality around himself.
That's because you've never experienced God's love, free will is that important to Him. God is never conflicted, He's omniscient. His well being lays only with Him, He's omnipotent. If God was only obliged to himself, then why did Jesus die for us. Seems you have some problems in your thoughts about God.
GC
1. Prove to me god is real.
2. God if existed created us with no intention of us having free will and guess what the devil gave us free will it was not a gift of god. - thank you satan.
3. God doesn't love everyone he only loves the people going to heaven and pretty much he says fuck the rest they will rot in hell.
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RE: we don't send ourselves to hell
December 2, 2014 at 1:11 am
(December 1, 2014 at 11:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: (December 1, 2014 at 7:42 pm)Nope Wrote: There is no place as hell so there is no reason for anyone to be afraid of it.
The Christian god is no different then the character, Jigsaw in the Saw movies. Jigsaw set up a series of deathly tests that forced a person to chose between something horrible and dying. He claimed these bizarre tests to taught people to love life and he also claimed that he wasn't the person responsible for anyone's death. His victims decided how they would respond to the scenarios he set up. How is that not like the Christian god?
God's real your guy well the screen is where he lives.
GC
(December 1, 2014 at 7:58 pm)Tonus Wrote: But god is not some ordinary person, beholden to the whims or needs of another. The only person god is obliged to is god. If god desires something, no one stands in his way. If god truly desires that none suffer in hell, then none will suffer in hell. Otherwise god is conflicted, and therefore his well-being is suddenly in the hands of his creation. He must spend eternity worried, because unless he removes free will, there will always be the opportunity for someone to hurt him by rejecting him.
It does not make sense for him to create that kind of reality around himself.
That's because you've never experienced God's love, free will is that important to Him. God is never conflicted, He's omniscient. His well being lays only with Him, He's omnipotent. If God was only obliged to himself, then why did Jesus die for us. Seems you have some problems in your thoughts about God.
GC
There is no god but the Christian concept of god is exactly like Jigsaw without the cool mask.
Imagine if I put the name Odin in place of god in your statement. How that sounds to you is how your statement sounds to atheists.
That's because you've never experienced Odin's love, free will is that important to Him. Odin is never conflicted, He's omniscient. His well being lays only with Him, He's omnipotent. If Odin was only obliged to himself, then why did Odin hang on a tree for us? Seems you have some problems in your thoughts about Odin.
I changed the bit about Jesus dying because Odin is supposed to have climbed a tree and hung there until he gained wisdom for the gods and humanity. It probably sounds silly to you now but that is how your original comment sounds to me. You need to prove that your god exists and is worthy of worship before your comment makes any sense to nonbelievers.
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RE: we don't send ourselves to hell
December 2, 2014 at 1:15 am
(December 2, 2014 at 1:11 am)Nope Wrote: (December 1, 2014 at 11:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: God's real your guy well the screen is where he lives.
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That's because you've never experienced God's love, free will is that important to Him. God is never conflicted, He's omniscient. His well being lays only with Him, He's omnipotent. If God was only obliged to himself, then why did Jesus die for us. Seems you have some problems in your thoughts about God.
GC
There is no god but the Christian concept of god is exactly like Jigsaw without the cool mask.
Imagine if I put the name Odin in place of god in your statement. How that sounds to you is how your statement sounds to atheists.
That's because you've never experienced Odin's love, free will is that important to Him. Odin is never conflicted, He's omniscient. His well being lays only with Him, He's omnipotent. If Odin was only obliged to himself, then why did Odin hang on a tree for us? Seems you have some problems in your thoughts about Odin.
I changed the bit about Jesus dying because Odin is supposed to have climbed a tree and hung there until he gained wisdom for the gods and humanity. It probably sounds silly to you now but that is how your original comment sounds to me. You need to prove that your god exists and is worthy of worship before your comment makes any sense to nonbelievers.
Odin is more loving than god he is more forgiving also he will send you to
hel (hell) if you did really terrible things also the devil there is a woman she is very hot (pun intended).
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