Critique Time!

[Thumpalumpacus]

You need to lay off the acid son, that's just embarrassing, even to look at.

GC

I didn't realize that was you, sorry to have caused you embarrassment.

Also, lol at "son" ... you ain't man enough to carry my dad's boots, boy.

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...Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

The highly symbolic work of Revelation still conforms with the idea of Hell as the absence of the Lord. Since the Lord is Divine Love and Wisdom, then Hell is a 'place', or state of being, where these qualities are absent. The infernal fires of hell are the burning lusts and rage of those who prefer their sin over the contentment and bliss of righteousness.

I understand that you read the Bible as allegory. These others don't, and my point is for them, specifically Drich, who says that there is no Biblical justification for the vision of Hell as fiery torment.

There clearly is, as was pointed out, and the fact of the matter is that you choose to interpret the Bible as allegory. Others choose to view it literally.

You've rounded the corners a little so that your faith doesn't scratch reality so harshly, but that's not going to spare you the criticism of other sects who believe you're hell-bound ... so, did you want the aisle seat, or the window seat?

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My next suggestion is to stop being a knee-jerk reactionist.

Let's see how this suggestion works out.

[Mister Agenda]

]Thats not true. Jesus spent much time ministering to the pharisees and answering their questions. He even went to them on the side. The story of Nicodemus is one where Christ Himself preaches the gospel and goes into great detail in answering every question he had. Eventually leading to his conversion.

Thanks, Drich, I forgot about Nicodemus, or rather, forgot that he was a pharisee. You're quite right, and I should have checked first before relying on my creaky memory.

While I do enjoy the opportunity to 'crow' more often then not, once the point has been made or the upper hand has been gained, I will drop the topic if no other questions or comments are made. (I forego the victory lap, and have done since the beginning.)

Fair enough.

I have offered to show people any and everything I have claimed if they want to come see for themselves. I live in orlando and it is really nice right now.

It's nice that you're willing to host, but not very reasonable to expect people to spend hundreds of dollars to see you when really they've no reason to think the trip will be productive. My practice is to not make claims on the internet that can't be verified on the internet.

The only thing I asked for is one day out of a weekend and you can do whatever else with your time here. I will make avaiable business, church, friends, family, medical records, who can verify everything I have talked about here.

The problem isn't your documentation. The problem is that having the documentation doesn't prove anything. People get better from serious ailments all the time, regardless of their religion or lack thereof. You don't need to prove your anecdotes are true. You need to prove that your anecdotes mean something if they ARE true.

I see empathy for the sake of empathy in a lot of what christians do now. However as with the way Christ spoke the truth of God's message, I don't see the empathy the Christian religion has adopted.

It might be helpful to separate empathy from sympathy here. For purposes of the conversation, how about empathy being the ability to understand someone else's point of view, especially emotionally; and sympathy being sharing their feelings: they're sad, so you're sad too, like that.

How he speaks to the pharisees, the rich young ruler, and even his deciples I don't see it. I see Christ standing for the truth first and then helping the people who truly sought it.

I'm not talking about 'being nice'. I'm talking about being able to understand other people.

Possibly because you were equating empathy with being nice?

[Whateverist]

Wait, so in hell we...get to sin and lust?

I'm in. Where do I sign?

[Godscreated]

You need to lay off the acid son, that's just embarrassing, even to look at.

GC

.... sorry to have caused you embarrassment.

Why should I be embarrassed by a vid clip of you.

Also, lol at "son" ... you ain't man enough to carry my dad's boots, boy.

So you're just a kid, should have known and now your playing the game of my dad's bigger than you. More childish play on a grown-ups site.

GC

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Wait, so in hell we...get to sin and lust?

Without any satisfaction, only misery and hate will come from your wrong.

GC

[Drich]

Thanks, Drich, I forgot about Nicodemus, or rather, forgot that he was a pharisee. You're quite right, and I should have checked first before relying on my creaky memory. [

That is why I am here.

It's nice that you're willing to host, but not very reasonable to expect people to spend hundreds of dollars to see you when really they've no reason to think the trip will be productive. My practice is to not make claims on the internet that can't be verified on the internet.

Lord willing if things keep going the way they are I will be able to bring people here if it will help them. I don't mind sharing anything, I just don't want personal info on the Internet.

The problem isn't your documentation. The problem is that having the documentation doesn't prove anything. People get better from serious ailments all the time, regardless of their religion or lack thereof. You don't need to prove your anecdotes are true. You need to prove that your anecdotes mean something if they ARE true.

what speaks to truth like nothing I can say or do is when these things are playing out in your own life. Again the things I share is what it took for me to establish and maintain a relationship with God, it is supposed to mean very little to anyone else, why? Because God wants to do the same for all of us.

Not to keep beating the same drum, but that is why it is SOOO Important to keep Knocking. God in our trials will wash away our broken understandings of Him and if we keep knocking we will build a correct picture of Him. One that He can support, and then one day your eyes Will Open, and Your ears Will Hear what has been i front of you this whole time.

It might be helpful to separate empathy from sympathy here. For purposes of the conversation, how about empathy being the ability to understand someone else's point of view, especially emotionally; and sympathy being sharing their feelings: they're sad, so you're sad too, like that.

that I will work on.

How he speaks to the pharisees, the rich young ruler, and even his deciples I don't see it. I see Christ standing for the truth first and then helping the people who truly sought it.

I'm not talking about 'being nice'. I'm talking about being able to understand other people.

I get what and why people say or think what they do (most of the time.) perhaps I will start outlining what they are saying and then address those points.

Possibly because you were equating empathy with being nice?
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[Cato]

.... sorry to have caused you embarrassment.

Why should I be embarrassed by a vid clip of you.

Also, lol at "son" ... you ain't man enough to carry my dad's boots, boy.

So you're just a kid, should have known and now your playing the game of my dad's bigger than you. More childish play on a grown-ups site.

This coming from the guy that just employed the "I'm rubber, you're glue" defense. Classic! Or was it more like "I know what you are, but what am I?".

[Cyberman]

Don't be patronising. Godschild would never do anything so mundane as "I'm rubber, you're glue".

He'd say "your glue".

[Thumpalumpacus]

.... sorry to have caused you embarrassment.

Why should I be embarrassed by a vid clip of you.

Oh, dear, it's the dreaded "NO U" reply.

Also, lol at "son" ... you ain't man enough to carry my dad's boots, boy.

So you're just a kid, should have known and now your playing the game of my dad's bigger than you. More childish play on a grown-ups site.

GC

You're new to this thinking stuff, I know, but even you should have been able to see the flaw in your reply. I'm not sure how to break the news to you, but adults have, or had, parents, too.

My dad died in 2009, at the age of seventy; I was 43 at the time. And you wouldn't make a pimple on his ass ... son.

[Godscreated]

So you're just a kid, should have known and now your playing the game of my dad's bigger than you. More childish play on a grown-ups site.

GC

You're new to this thinking stuff, I know, but even you should have been able to see the flaw in your reply. I'm not sure how to break the news to you, but adults have, or had, parents, too.

My dad died in 2009, at the age of seventy; I was 43 at the time. And you wouldn't make a pimple on his ass ... son.

Being 43 doesn't make you a man but I have no doubt that your dad was a good man. By the way you act, it's you who wouldn't be able to be that pimple. Once again though, you play the child's game of my dad is bigger than you.

GC

PS. Sorry for your loss, I know how hard it is to lose your father, dad passed away in 2000 He was 86.

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Don't be patronising. Godschild would never do anything so mundane as "I'm rubber, you're glue".

He'd say "your glue".

Good to see the only thing you can still do is point out bad grammar.

GC

[Cyberman]

Good to see that you spelled all the words properly, even though you misapplied the concept of grammar to it. Did you have help?