David Koch

[Thumpalumpacus]

Have the Kochs actually returned the money back to the Treasury?

[Mister Agenda]

Is that what they told you or what you inferred from not liking libertarians?

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Actually, I like some libertarian ideals. I don't agree with any current political party and believe that they are all becoming depressingly similar.

I have to agree, but I have hope for the future. The Slackers are going to be starting to take power soon.

[Nope]

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I feel you on the libertarian shift, especially here in SC, I feel like they've moved to my right when I used to be pretty much in the middle, libertarian-wise. I'm especially troubled by the move away from open borders.

The GOP IS moving toward libertarianism, just not consciously. As I alluded to above, their social conservatism is largely in their older members (who also happen to have the most political power), as they die off, the GOP will inevitably become more socially liberal. Economically, I'm concerned that they will still favor vast military expenditures and regulations favoring big corporations, but I think the change will be an improvement for the country. Basically the Slacker generation is going to take over.

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And if we're not just making stuff up, the Democrats have been moving to the right as well. Our left would be the middle in most other countries. Our president is barely to the left of Reagan and our last Republican president was well to Reagan's right.

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Simplistically, Democrats are socially liberal/fiscally liberal, Libertarians are socially liberal/fiscally conservative, and Republicans are socially conservative/fiscally conservative. And yes, I know the spending of Republicans puts drunken sailors to shame, but I admit this is simplistic.

So a Republican being fiscally conservative is being a Republican, period. It's what Republicans are supposed to be. To be more libertarian, a Republican needs to be more socially liberal and a Democrat needs to be more fiscally conservative.

And Neocons of whatever party stripe are right out.

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The only one I've nearly liked, which means I liked him more than any Democrat or Republican candidate ever, was Gary Johnson. If he had gotten the Republican nomination, I would have voted Republican for president, which I haven't done since Dole.

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Are you under the impression that 'subsidy' is a synonym for 'tax break' or 'regulation'?


I think they are on the right side of ethanol subsidies, but they certainly haven't used their clout to end them. They get to have the libertarian opinon without actually risking their income stream.

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[Minimalist]

You really should get out more.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/new...e-20140924

Rollingstone isn't much to do about credibility these days. Especially after the phoney College Rape article they published recently.

You stick with FOX, shithead. At least RS admitted their mistake. When does FOX ever do anything but double-down on stupid?

[Crossless2.0]

You stick with FOX, shithead. At least RS admitted their mistake. When does FOX ever do anything but double-down on stupid?

Well, there was their admission that their bogus "war on Christmas" coverage was just a ruse to pander to the dumbest elements of their viewership.

Oh, wait . . .