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Gods plan is flawed as is the concept of god itself!
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RE: Gods plan is flawed as is the concept of god itself!
February 28, 2010 at 11:14 pm
The first type of faith you described would be more akin to trust than anything else.
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RE: Gods plan is flawed as is the concept of god itself!
March 1, 2010 at 10:55 am
(February 28, 2010 at 11:14 pm)tavarish Wrote: The first type of faith you described would be more akin to trust than anything else.

Exactly! "Reasonable faith" and "trust" are pretty much interchangeable. They're both based on some combination of knowledge and experience. Blind faith is based on nothing.
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.

God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
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RE: Gods plan is flawed as is the concept of god itself!
March 1, 2010 at 1:24 pm
The knowledge of god based on so called revelation is not a valid criteria for knowledge. Therefore faith based on such knowledge is just as invalid. In my view when it comes to god and faith there is no such thing as reasonable faith since to me reason and religious faith are incompatible. As I have stated many times in my opinion faith is simply an abandonment of reason.
There is nothing people will not maintain when they are slaves to superstition

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RE: Gods plan is flawed as is the concept of god itself!
March 1, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Quote:I have faith that, when I'm flying, the pilot will land the plane safely.


I had more faith in that before they deregulated the airlines.
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#45
RE: Gods plan is flawed as is the concept of god itself!
March 1, 2010 at 4:24 pm
(March 1, 2010 at 2:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:I have faith that, when I'm flying, the pilot will land the plane safely.


I had more faith in that before they deregulated the airlines.

I have a rational expectation, formed from my observations and careful thought of all factors relating to the act of flying commercially. I also have made an informed decision based upon previous data and knowledge of most factors involved, as well as comparing the relative risks.

To call it 'faith' is a belittlement of anothers mind, carefully and usually unconsciously collating and tabulating data to make decisions, augmented best with reason.
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#46
RE: Gods plan is flawed as is the concept of god itself!
March 1, 2010 at 4:40 pm
Two words, Syn.

"Pilot Error."
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RE: Gods plan is flawed as is the concept of god itself!
March 1, 2010 at 4:45 pm
(March 1, 2010 at 4:40 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Two words, Syn.

"Pilot Error."

What part of expectation did you not understand?
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#48
RE: Gods plan is flawed as is the concept of god itself!
March 1, 2010 at 5:21 pm
I just hate it when they use that phrase.
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RE: Gods plan is flawed as is the concept of god itself!
March 2, 2010 at 11:29 am
One of the things I hate about discussing god and the existence of god etc. etc. is that I find some of the philosophical arguments boring and speculative at best. Mental gymnastics in my opinion is nothing but a waste of time, especially when you are arguing about something that is not fact based but rather based on subjective beliefs.
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#50
RE: Gods plan is flawed as is the concept of god itself!
March 2, 2010 at 3:30 pm
I'm the opposite - I find myself in awe of the ideas and possibilities.
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