The Purity Movement

[The Valkyrie]

The whole concept of sex is dirty I find creepy.

Especially when they impose it on girls and not the guys. Yes, I have encountered that, "But boys are different" and "It's the husband's special prize!" are just fucked up.

The whole cult of virgin thing really pisses me off.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Puts me in mind of the Mae West quote: 'I'm as pure as the driven slush.'

Boru

[Brian37]

I think that the last quote from the girl discussing emotional purity was sad but she probably wouldn't understand why I feel bad for her.

This is a good example how religion can limit someone's life. This young lady can't share any secrets with male friends, read a romance novel or just think a dirty thought without feeling guilty.

In Hitchen's book he quite aptly describes this God character as a "celestial North Korea" even to the point of convicting you of a "thought crime"

It could falsely make one wonder if Orwell modeled "Big Brother" after the God character. God certainly should be all seeing and if you call him "all powerful" then you cant say he cant read your thoughts because that negates the "all" part of "all powerful" which would limit his powers.

The natural morality we have is not denying our thoughts but having the maturity on our own without being told to not act on things we know could harm someone else. But it is sick to use comic book morality to control biological urges and thoughts of natural desires. It only becomes immoral in reality when what you act on is not an act of consent.

[Godscreated]

This is a good example how religion can limit someone's life. This young lady can't share any secrets with male friends, read a romance novel or just think a dirty thought without feeling guilty.

It amounts to child abuse. These youngsters are damaged goods for life. Every enjoyment will carry with it the fear of damnation. That's what's making me most angry at religion.

Their girls are not your responsibility. Now I do not agree with all the purity movement but, there are good things about it.

Christians do not see things like this as limiting, we see it as growing in a relationship with the God we'll spend eternity with.

GC

---

I just find the Purity Movement utterly creepy and wrong. It's child abuse, "pure" and simple.

How is it child abuse, parents are trying to protect their daughters, I use to be a teenager and haven't forgotten what went on back then. I can assure you I would not want my daughter (if I had one) to be exposed to some of the things that go on in the world.

GC

[Brian37]

It amounts to child abuse. These youngsters are damaged goods for life. Every enjoyment will carry with it the fear of damnation. That's what's making me most angry at religion.

Their girls are not your responsibility. Now I do not agree with all the purity movement but, there are good things about it.

Christians do not see things like this as limiting, we see it as growing in a relationship with the God we'll spend eternity with.

GC

---

I just find the Purity Movement utterly creepy and wrong. It's child abuse, "pure" and simple.

How is it child abuse, parents are trying to protect their daughters, I use to be a teenager and haven't forgotten what went on back then. I can assure you I would not want my daughter (if I had one) to be exposed to some of the things that go on in the world.

GC

No, there is nothing good about it because it is merely a religious distortion of nature.

Yes everyone wants to protect their kids. But you used the word "daughter" and a marriage is not solely her responsibility. This meme sold by your book is a patriarchal meme because back when it was written the protection of girls was more of a bartering tool with other families and back then the desires of the girl if she did not agree were not important. The family honor and ability to build alliances with other families was for the men to decide.

That book at best treats girls and women as props to make the male heros look good, but most of the time it treats women as scapegoats, and cattle and fields to be planted.

Not even the most important female character is mentioned that much. A few blurbs when the angel tells Mary she is going to give birth to the hero, then not much during the life of Jesus, and and a few mentions at his death. It doesn't say anything about her likes or personal desires outside of supporting him. Even Mary is written like a prop.

[vorlon13]

FLDS does FAR FAR worse to the girls they raise in regards to indoctrination.

[TheRealJoeFish]

Their girls are not your responsibility. Now I do not agree with all the purity movement but, there are good things about it.

I find the bolded to be a really, really disgusting sentiment. Yes, they are our - the collective "our" - responsibility. I live in a place where you can't force other people to raise their kids how you would, and that's a very good thing. But when children (individually and collectively) are being taught things like "feel bad if you think about sex before marriage" (and, for that matter, bullshit like "science is all a big liberal plot, so don't listen to your biology teacher" and "the highest goal in your life should be to protect the unborn"), it's a BIG problem because it means lots of individual children are going to be harmed and stifled, and a huge chunk of society is going to be unprepared to help us make any accomplishments to help humans' lives improve.

IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY

[Nope]

Now I do not agree with all the purity movement but, there are good things about it.

Lots of Christians do not agree with the purity movement, thankfully. It causes a lot of harm. Elizabeth Smart has spoken out about harmful the movement's idea of sexual purity was to her after she was kidnapped and raped.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...al-assault

---

The dehumanization that purity culture inflicts was described by Smart in her speech when she talked about the sex education:

"I had a teacher who was talking about abstinence, she said, 'Imagine you're a stick of gum and when you engage in sex, that's like getting chewed, and if you do that lots of times, you're going to become an old piece of gum, and who's going to want you after that?"

Smart says those words rang in her memory. She felt ruined.

This is from the same article in the link.

[Godscreated]

No, there is nothing good about it because it is merely a religious distortion of nature.

How?

Yes everyone wants to protect their kids. But you used the word "daughter" and a marriage is not solely her responsibility.

What are you answering, I said nothing about marriage?

This meme sold by your book is a patriarchal meme because back when it was written the protection of girls was more of a bartering tool with other families and back then the desires of the girl if she did not agree were not important. The family honor and ability to build alliances with other families was for the men to decide.

That book at best treats girls and women as props to make the male heros look good, but most of the time it treats women as scapegoats, and cattle and fields to be planted.

What are you speaking to, this has nothing to do with today's world, you need to get back on track.

Not even the most important female character is mentioned that much. A few blurbs when the angel tells Mary she is going to give birth to the hero, then not much during the life of Jesus, and and a few mentions at his death. It doesn't say anything about her likes or personal desires outside of supporting him. Even Mary is written like a prop.

The Bible is about Christ, not Mary, Paul, King David or any other men and women. You should however check out the OT there's a book there that's all about a women, it's actually the only book that doesn't mention God.

GC

[abaris]

No, there is nothing good about it because it is merely a religious distortion of nature.

How?


GC

Because everyone is a sexual being. It's a natural urge. If you surpress that to the point where even masturbation is considered a sin and combined with guilt, you get a seriously disturbed individual in the process.